Chiefs Cover 2

Bl00dyBizkitz · 10-11-2021, 09:20 AM

I find it hard to believe that this is our offenses kryptonite. Do we really not have an answer for it? Why is our offensive playcalling so vanilla?

It's not that I'm impatient for the deep ball, but plenty of other teams seem to find ways to punish Cover 2 and force them to play up further, and we're the only team that somehow can't.

I hardly see us use motion to our advantage like we used to. I hardly see any sort of creative playcalling unless it's some dumb trick play or shovel pass at the goal line.

You'd think running the ball into Cover 2 would gash defenses, but apparently we ****ing suck at that too. And this is all we're gonna see the rest of the season. Deep Cover 2, stop the big play, hope our offense makes mistakes and gets off the field. And so far, it's working. Do we seriously not have any answers for this?

BleedingRed · 10-11-2021, 09:21 AM

Offense is stale, EB isn’t helping shit with his cute plays.

Rainbarrel · 10-11-2021, 09:23 AM

Line up some creampuffs to work out the kinks and build confidence.

**loochy** · 10-11-2021, 09:23 AM

As for running the ball, we *should* be able to take advantage. In the first half I saw HUGE holes open up that should have gone for runs of 10-15, but CEH is so slow that it goes for 4. It's like he sticks to any defender that touches him. It's like he only has one speed. He'll dance, dance, then go his one speed and get tackled by the first defender. He has no burst and no tackle breaking. Maybe Williams or McKinnon can start taking advantage of those holes.

Hammock Parties · 10-11-2021, 09:24 AM

Cover 2 is going to shut down a lot of offenses if you can't block.

We're just fine against it when we can block.

ToxSocks · 10-11-2021, 09:24 AM

EB needs to go. He's 1 season past his expiration date. This offense has been struggling with the same shit since last year. New OL, same problem.

BleedingRed · 10-11-2021, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

EB needs to go. He's 1 season past his expiration date. This offense has been struggling with the same shit since last year. New OL, same problem.

Yup,

No honest to god commit to the run game (seriously no feel for it either when we are killing people) and for what ever reason we run these cute plays way to much.

Pasta Little Brioni · 10-11-2021, 09:28 AM

I mean they really easily could have scored 38 last night and those were self inflicted wounds...It’s not like teams are shutting them down. Horrible self inflicted turnovers in all 3 losses. It appears that way when the defense gives up 30 plus EVERY week

Bl00dyBizkitz · 10-11-2021, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Cover 2 is going to shut down a lot of offenses if you can't block.

We're just fine against it when we can block.

Just to play devil's advocate, couldn't you say that about any offense? Give them time in the pocket, and they'll find the open man?

Hammock Parties · 10-11-2021, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz

Just to play devil's advocate, couldn't you say that about any offense? Give them time in the pocket, and they'll find the open man?

No. Because Cover 2 is dropping more players into coverage.

It takes longer for routes to develop against Cover 2.

Against other defenses if there is pressure someone may be open a lot quicker.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-11-2021, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

EB needs to go. He's 1 season past his expiration date. This offense has been struggling with the same shit since last year. New OL, same problem.

That is another situation in our perfect storm. Sucks because he shouldn't be fired. He does genuinely deserve an opportunity somewhere and that's why the Chiefs are reluctant to get rid of him. But EB is not an innovator and that's what we need in the room right now. Promote Kafka and bring in an assistant coach or two who is going to study the hell out of college and pro offenses to find new wrinkles. Hell, bring in a veteran special consultant.

Bl00dyBizkitz · 10-11-2021, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

No. Because Cover 2 is dropping more players into coverage.

It takes longer for routes to develop against Cover 2.

Against other defenses if there is pressure someone may be open a lot quicker.

Well if that's the case, our guy's really just cannot get open. There were lots of moments last night where Mahomes had all day in the pocket and just couldn't find anyone. Credit to Buffalo, but it's not the first time this season where Mahomes has held on to the ball forever cause there just wasn't anyone there.

kccrow · 10-11-2021, 10:06 AM

Teams are showing cover 2, but they are rolling/disguising coverages and playing mixed coverages more often than it seems, which is something I think Mahomes was trying to allude to in his tweet today.

To me, it's players not all properly executing the plethora of option routes built into the Chiefs' scheme when they see cover 2. The options do help beat the rolling coverages rather than relying on just running straight-up flood concepts to beat cover 2. How many times have we seen the WTF looks from Mahomes because he and his receivers not named Hill or Kelce aren't seeing the same thing? Alot. I think it's mental for these receivers and they don't have guys that can out-muscle a defender on a tight throw into a covered zone so Patrick doesn't make the throws there. Hopefully they have one coming in Gordon.

comochiefsfan · 10-11-2021, 10:11 AM

We can't run the ball.

We should be punishing teams on the ground but we can't.

Our scheme also is horrible and stale. Two players run actual routes. Everyone else stands around. When the play breaks down everyone stands around including the guys who ran the initial routes. No one works open downfield.

There's no intensity, emotion or heart. The offense looks completely defeated and uninspired. It's bad. We will continue to beat up on bad teams but it's going to be a mess against any good team we play until Andy and EB can figure something out.

Hammock Parties · 10-11-2021, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

We can't run the ball.

We should be punishing teams on the ground but we can't.

Did you miss the games where we ran for 186 and 200 yards?

10-11-2021, 09:20 AM
Bl00dyBizkitz Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013 Casino cash: $-771581	Cover 2 I find it hard to believe that this is our offenses kryptonite. Do we really not have an answer for it? Why is our offensive playcalling so vanilla? It's not that I'm impatient for the deep ball, but plenty of other teams seem to find ways to punish Cover 2 and force them to play up further, and we're the only team that somehow can't. I hardly see us use motion to our advantage like we used to. I hardly see any sort of creative playcalling unless it's some dumb trick play or shovel pass at the goal line. You'd think running the ball into Cover 2 would gash defenses, but apparently we ****ing suck at that too. And this is all we're gonna see the rest of the season. Deep Cover 2, stop the big play, hope our offense makes mistakes and gets off the field. And so far, it's working. Do we seriously not have any answers for this?
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loochy Hey Loochy, I'm hooome! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: PooPooKaKaPeePeeShire Casino cash: $-1559603	As for running the ball, we should be able to take advantage. In the first half I saw HUGE holes open up that should have gone for runs of 10-15, but CEH is so slow that it goes for 4. It's like he sticks to any defender that touches him. It's like he only has one speed. He'll dance, dance, then go his one speed and get tackled by the first defender. He has no burst and no tackle breaking. Maybe Williams or McKinnon can start taking advantage of those holes. __________________ Hey Loochy, I'm hoooome!
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ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2123063	EB needs to go. He's 1 season past his expiration date. This offense has been struggling with the same shit since last year. New OL, same problem. __________________ Life is like a dick. Sometimes it gets hard for no reason, but it can't stay hard forever.
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10-11-2021, 09:28 AM	#8
Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $358880	I mean they really easily could have scored 38 last night and those were self inflicted wounds...It’s not like teams are shutting them down. Horrible self inflicted turnovers in all 3 losses. It appears that way when the defense gives up 30 plus EVERY week __________________ **Official TFWdemB Trivia Commisioner**
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10-11-2021, 10:06 AM	#13
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1100000	Teams are showing cover 2, but they are rolling/disguising coverages and playing mixed coverages more often than it seems, which is something I think Mahomes was trying to allude to in his tweet today. To me, it's players not all properly executing the plethora of option routes built into the Chiefs' scheme when they see cover 2. The options do help beat the rolling coverages rather than relying on just running straight-up flood concepts to beat cover 2. How many times have we seen the WTF looks from Mahomes because he and his receivers not named Hill or Kelce aren't seeing the same thing? Alot. I think it's mental for these receivers and they don't have guys that can out-muscle a defender on a tight throw into a covered zone so Patrick doesn't make the throws there. Hopefully they have one coming in Gordon.
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10-11-2021, 10:11 AM	#14
comochiefsfan MVP Join Date: Dec 2018 Casino cash: $-1049600	We can't run the ball. We should be punishing teams on the ground but we can't. Our scheme also is horrible and stale. Two players run actual routes. Everyone else stands around. When the play breaks down everyone stands around including the guys who ran the initial routes. No one works open downfield. There's no intensity, emotion or heart. The offense looks completely defeated and uninspired. It's bad. We will continue to beat up on bad teams but it's going to be a mess against any good team we play until Andy and EB can figure something out.
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