Chiefs Things that need to change for us to turn it around - Page 11

**BossChief** · 10-10-2021, 10:32 PM

Gay and Bolton need to play the majority of the snaps at LB
Thornhill in for Sorenson
Tyrann back to playing close to the line
Get Gordon ready to play a lot and they need to get him involved early and often
Ward and Jones need to get healthy
Jones back to DT
Frank Clark needs to take whatever he was taking the second half of the year I’m 2018
Spags needs to adjust his scheme to be more aggressive
Brendan Daly needs to be fired or at minimum put on the hot seat

ThaVirus · 10-11-2021, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

#Chiefs snap counts vs Bills. Quick notes:
*Josh Gordon 9 snaps in KC debut
*Willie Gay 25 of 57 snaps in return
*Sorensen 100% of snaps, Thornhill 44%
*Jarran Reed season-low 27 snaps behind Terahawn Wharton & Derrick Nnadi (32)
*LG Joe Thuney (fractured hand) played every snap pic.twitter.com/lDHlUENPsm
— Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) October 11, 2021

I noticed McKinnon in on some early series. I think the coaching staff recognizes that Clyde leaves a lot to be desired.

Not that McKinnon did anything of note, but with working him in and picking up Gordon, at least the offensive coaching staff is open to making changes, unlike the other side of the ball.

oldman · 10-11-2021, 01:17 PM

Some of the takes I've seen on this and other threads are just foolish. Throw the ball every down, fire Veach, cut this player and play that one, blah, blah, blah. We can all blame the usual suspects (Sorenson, Neimann, etc.) but make no mistake, this was a team loss. Where was #32? Hill dropped passes he usually catches. Kelce couldn't shake defenders until the 2nd half. We didn't take the 10-12 yard slants and crossing routes the Bills were giving up. No pass rush. Two red zone turnovers by our half a billion dollar QB. Multiple errant throws by the same QB. I could go on and on. About the only players that didn't suck were our 2 rookie O linemen and our kicking specialists.

Opposing teams have got our number. Play Cover 2, sooner or later we'll shoot ourselves in the foot because we just aren't patient. Run the ball because our front 7 are reluctant to lay the wood to anyone. We have to start looking at the other team's weaknesses and make a game plan to exploit them. We can't wait until halftime to make adjustments on both sides of the ball. We can no longer expect Mahomes to win every game.

**The Franchise** · 10-11-2021, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

I doubt it was because of Gay. They started actually attacking instead of that bullshit "bend but don't break". They attacked all through the 2nd half and for the most part it worked.

It also helped that the Bills stopped taking deep shots, ran the ball more and punted on 4th and 2 or 3.

FringeNC · 10-11-2021, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

The road looks much tougher than most of us expected, but I don't see the sky falling.

Basically, KC has a low margin for error vs the top teams, but I still think they're capable of beating anyone. And I still expect them to overwhelm the bad/mediocre teams.

With one of the worst Ds in NFL history, we are not going to win the SB unless we have perhaps the best O in NFL history. We have to leverage the strength of this team -- the passing attack -- as much as we can.

**Easy 6** · 10-11-2021, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

According to Reid post game, Hill injured his knee, Thuney fractured his hand, and Kelce had a stinger. If any one of these turns out to have long term ramifications we're in some serious ****ing shit.

Well **** me running, knew Kelce got dinged but wasn't aware of the other stuff... it turns out the super bowl hangover myth is real, not sure what else to say

comochiefsfan · 10-11-2021, 04:40 PM

Veach has to go.

Dude is killing us with the lack of talent infusion through the draft.

MahomesMagic · 10-11-2021, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

Veach has to go.

Dude is killing us with the lack of talent infusion through the draft.

Every GM misses.

I would say recently Mecole Hardman and CEH look bad at the draft and Frank Clark and Hitchens contract also very bad.

This year I really like the OL players he drafted but didn't like Hitchens not getting cut or not signing another DE like Ingram or Houston.

His hits have to include Mahomes so he will get more time.

We need to hit more early but he has added very good cheap players below market value.

**Easy 6** · 10-11-2021, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

Veach has to go.

Dude is killing us with the lack of talent infusion through the draft.

Yes the long honeymoon is over, and it appears he may not be "teh greatest GM evah!"

But lets put away the pitchforks and torches for a minute, and stop to consider the great moves he HAS made...

Converted a 3-4 into a respectable 4-3 in one offseason
Completely remade the O line in one offseason, and the arrow is definitely pointed up on them
Has been nails at finding crucial role players like Damien Williams, etc etc etc
Then of course his ace up the sleeve... Mahomes (don't gimme the Dorsey did it line)

He is young, and hasn't been perfect... but I've seen more than enough positive developments to let him learn from his mistake, and continue growing into the role

Veach is going to attack this defense like a rabid dog in the offseason, we all know it

Delano · 10-11-2021, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I noticed McKinnon in on some early series. I think the coaching staff recognizes that Clyde leaves a lot to be desired.

Not that McKinnon did anything of note, but with working him in and picking up Gordon, at least the offensive coaching staff is open to making changes, unlike the other side of the ball.

I mean it could also be that Clyde got hurt.

BryanBusby · 10-11-2021, 04:53 PM

Dude hasn't looked anything like his rookie season at any point this year. A major disappointment.

MahomesMagic · 10-11-2021, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Yes the long honeymoon is over, and it appears he may not be "teh greatest GM evah!"

But lets put away the pitchforks and torches for a minute, and stop to consider the great moves he HAS made...

Converted a 3-4 into a respectable 4-3 in one offseason
Completely remade the O line in one offseason, and the arrow is definitely pointed up on them
Has been nails at finding crucial role players like Damien Williams, etc etc etc
Then of course his ace up the sleeve... Mahomes (don't gimme the Dorsey did it line)

He is young, and hasn't been perfect... but I've seen more than enough positive developments to let him learn from his mistake, and continue growing into the role

Veach is going to attack this defense like a rabid dog in the offseason, we all know it

I do hope Veach stops asking for input from our defensive coaches too much. It's good to ask what they need but I think he has leaned too much into non-scout evals there and it has hurt us.

Can't prove this but it's my best guess based on interviews.

See Hitchens still here at his $$$$.

**Easy 6** · 10-11-2021, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I do hope Veach stops asking for input from our defensive coaches too much. It's good to ask what they need but I think he has leaned too much into non-scout evals there and it has hurt us.

Can't prove this but it's my best guess based on interviews.

See Hitchens still here at his $$$$.

Yeah if he's taking pointers from Daly and House, thats gotta stop

In fact it wouldn't hurt my feelings if they were both let go

ThaVirus · 10-11-2021, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Delano

I mean it could also be that Clyde got hurt.

Or because he sucks

Chief Roundup · 10-11-2021, 07:08 PM

The biggest thing is the attitude that seems to be coming out of our stars. They seem to be taking it for granted that they should just be beating these other teams instead of preparing better than the other team's players. Our players do not seem to be giving their best physical efforts either. They are seeming entitled. The coaches need to crack down on this attitude.

MahomesMagic · 10-11-2021, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

The biggest thing is the attitude that seems to be coming out of our stars. They seem to be taking it for granted that they should just be beating these other teams instead of preparing better than the other team's players. Our players do not seem to be giving their best physical efforts either. They are seeming entitled. The coaches need to crack down on this attitude.

The only DL that has earned it is Jones. Everyone else should be playing as if their snaps could disappear any moment.

10-10-2021, 10:32 PM
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1745912	Things that need to change for us to turn it around Gay and Bolton need to play the majority of the snaps at LB Thornhill in for Sorenson Tyrann back to playing close to the line Get Gordon ready to play a lot and they need to get him involved early and often Ward and Jones need to get healthy Jones back to DT Frank Clark needs to take whatever he was taking the second half of the year I’m 2018 Spags needs to adjust his scheme to be more aggressive Brendan Daly needs to be fired or at minimum put on the hot seat
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10-11-2021, 01:17 PM	#152
oldman Curmudgeon Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North by Northwest Casino cash: $5836784	Some of the takes I've seen on this and other threads are just foolish. Throw the ball every down, fire Veach, cut this player and play that one, blah, blah, blah. We can all blame the usual suspects (Sorenson, Neimann, etc.) but make no mistake, this was a team loss. Where was #32? Hill dropped passes he usually catches. Kelce couldn't shake defenders until the 2nd half. We didn't take the 10-12 yard slants and crossing routes the Bills were giving up. No pass rush. Two red zone turnovers by our half a billion dollar QB. Multiple errant throws by the same QB. I could go on and on. About the only players that didn't suck were our 2 rookie O linemen and our kicking specialists. Opposing teams have got our number. Play Cover 2, sooner or later we'll shoot ourselves in the foot because we just aren't patient. Run the ball because our front 7 are reluctant to lay the wood to anyone. We have to start looking at the other team's weaknesses and make a game plan to exploit them. We can't wait until halftime to make adjustments on both sides of the ball. We can no longer expect Mahomes to win every game.
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