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Deberg_1990 · 12-02-2021, 07:06 AM

Discussssss

To our Fans:

I first want to thank you for your continued support of the great game of baseball. This past season, we were reminded of how the national pastime can bring us together and restore our hope despite the difficult challenges of a global pandemic. As we began to emerge from one of the darkest periods in our history, our ballparks were filled with fans; the games were filled with excitement; and millions of families felt the joy of watching baseball together.

That is why I am so disappointed about the situation in which our game finds itself today. Despite the league’s best efforts to make a deal with the Players Association, we were unable to extend our 26 year-long history of labor peace and come to an agreement with the MLBPA before the current CBA expired. Therefore, we have been forced to commence a lockout of Major League players, effective at 12:01am ET on December 2.

I want to explain to you how we got here and why we have to take this action today. Simply put, we believe that an offseason lockout is the best mechanism to protect the 2022 season. We hope that the lockout will jumpstart the negotiations and get us to an agreement that will allow the season to start on time. This defensive lockout was necessary because the Players Association’s vision for Major League Baseball would threaten the ability of most teams to be competitive. It’s simply not a viable option. From the beginning, the MLBPA has been unwilling to move from their starting position, compromise, or collaborate on solutions.

When we began negotiations over a new agreement, the Players Association already had a contract that they wouldn’t trade for any other in sports. Baseball’s players have no salary cap and are not subjected to a maximum length or dollar amount on contracts. In fact, only MLB has guaranteed contracts that run 10 or more years, and in excess of $300 million. We have not proposed anything that would change these fundamentals. While we have heard repeatedly that free agency is “broken” – in the month of November $1.7 billion was committed to free agents, smashing the prior record by nearly 4x. By the end of the offseason, Clubs will have committed more money to players than in any offseason in MLB history.

We worked hard to find compromise while making the system even better for players, by addressing concerns raised by the Players Association. We offered to establish a minimum payroll for all clubs to meet for the first time in baseball history; to allow the majority of players to reach free agency earlier through an age-based system that would eliminate any claims of service time manipulation; and to increase compensation for all young players, including increases in the minimum salary. When negotiations lacked momentum, we tried to create some by offering to accept the universal Designated Hitter, to create a new draft system using a lottery similar to other leagues, and to increase the Competitive Balance Tax threshold that affects only a small number of teams.

We have had challenges before with respect to making labor agreements and have overcome those challenges every single time during my tenure. Regrettably, it appears the Players Association came to the bargaining table with a strategy of confrontation over compromise. They never wavered from collectively the most extreme set of proposals in their history, including significant cuts to the revenue-sharing system, a weakening of the competitive balance tax, and shortening the period of time that players play for their teams. All of these changes would make our game less competitive, not more.

To be clear: this hard but important step does not necessarily mean games will be cancelled. In fact, we are taking this step now because it accelerates the urgency for an agreement with as much runway as possible to avoid doing damage to the 2022 season. Delaying this process further would only put Spring Training, Opening Day, and the rest of the season further at risk – and we cannot allow an expired agreement to again cause an in-season strike and a missed World Series, like we experienced in 1994. We all owe you, our fans, better than that.

Today is a difficult day for baseball, but as I have said all year, there is a path to a fair agreement, and we will find it. I do not doubt the League and the Players share a fundamental appreciation for this game and a commitment to its fans. I remain optimistic that both sides will seize the opportunity to work together to grow, protect, and strengthen the game we love. MLB is ready to work around the clock to meet that goal. I urge the Players Association to join us at the table.
Manfred

Read a letter from the Commissioner: https://t.co/P4gRGSlfsu pic.twitter.com/zI40uGLTni
— MLB (@MLB) December 2, 2021

Statement from the Major League Baseball Players Association: pic.twitter.com/34uIGf762W
— MLBPA Communications (@MLBPA_News) December 2, 2021

FloridaMan88 · 02-28-2022, 02:05 PM

The NFL Scouting Combine this week will get higher TV ratings than 90%+ of MLB regular season games.

DJJasonp · 02-28-2022, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

The NFL Scouting Combine this week will get higher TV ratings than 90%+ of MLB regular season games.

The point?

ChiefsCountry · 02-28-2022, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DJJasonp

The point?

Yet the local ratings for the home market teams are generally the number one rated tv shows during the season.

FloridaMan88 · 02-28-2022, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DJJasonp

The point?

No one cares or will notice that baseball is gone.

Local TV stations and RSN’s would get higher TV ratings showing reruns of the NFL Scouting Combine this summer.

ChiefsCountry · 02-28-2022, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

No one cares or will notice that baseball is gone.

Local TV stations and RSN’s would get higher TV ratings showing reruns of the NFL Scouting Combine this summer.

That's false

Ocotillo · 02-28-2022, 03:25 PM

It's popular to bash Derek Jeter but he walked away from the Marlins today because they were being cheap and not willing to spend more on payroll.

Heard Jeter believed going into the lockout that there would be another $10M-$15M that the Marlins would spend on the 2022 roster, and that strategy evaporated during the lockout. It was central to Jeter’s decsion to leave as CEO.
— Joel Sherman (@Joelsherman1) February 28, 2022

KChiefs1 · 02-28-2022, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Yet the local ratings for the home market teams are generally the number one rated tv shows during the season.

MLB has evolved into a regional sport much like the NHL.

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MIAdragon · 02-28-2022, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

The NFL Scouting Combine this week will get higher TV ratings than 90%+ of MLB regular season games.

It made over 4 billion last season, so ya someone cares enough to spend some money.

BWillie · 02-28-2022, 05:08 PM

I feel like MLB is in a unique situation. It's kind of a dying sport. It's probably one reason the players don't like what they are being offered. As popularity wanes, so does resources and pay.

NBA while it has dwindled a bit in fandom domestically since the 90s - it's made up in the international market. NFL is the NFL and is king and is just a monster so that isn't going away, especially with fantasy football and draft kings coming to fruition. MLS is getting bigger every year.

MLB is just kind of there with a super aging demographic.

Ocotillo · 02-28-2022, 05:22 PM

Commissioner Rob Manfred on way back: “We’re working at it” pic.twitter.com/vasSITXu7q
— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) February 28, 2022

DJJasonp · 02-28-2022, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

No one cares or will notice that baseball is gone.

Local TV stations and RSN’s would get higher TV ratings showing reruns of the NFL Scouting Combine this summer.

Highly unlikely.

If this is a weird pissing match between the NFL and MLB for you, consider this: When was the last time a MLB game was decided by an arbitrary call by an umpire?

And before you say "wide strike zone"........batters can still swing and make contact.

I like both the NFL and MLB.......but I like the NFL for what it is: strictly entertainment with heavy vegas betting-line influences.

Baseball might be the last pure "sport" left in this world (at least from an outside influence perspective, such as umpires/referees).

KChiefs1 · 02-28-2022, 05:53 PM

Jeezus!

Just institute a salary cap like every other sport & get on with it!

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KC_Connection · 02-28-2022, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DJJasonp

If this is a weird pissing match between the NFL and MLB for you, consider this: When was the last time a MLB game was decided by an arbitrary call by an umpire?

Game 6 of the 2015 ALCS comes to mind.

KC_Connection · 02-28-2022, 06:10 PM

As far as I can tell, unless something actually happened today, MLB and its owners have not been seriously negotiating the entire week as they have not budged on the issues that are actually critical to getting a deal done. I believe they are fully content with another shortened season like in 2020. It would mean paying the players far less and it would still mean they get their all-important playoff revenue in the end.

George Liquor · 02-28-2022, 06:11 PM

Better be negotiating steroid use to save baseball again.

12-02-2021, 07:06 AM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $4454	The MLB lockout thread Discussssss To our Fans: I first want to thank you for your continued support of the great game of baseball. This past season, we were reminded of how the national pastime can bring us together and restore our hope despite the difficult challenges of a global pandemic. As we began to emerge from one of the darkest periods in our history, our ballparks were filled with fans; the games were filled with excitement; and millions of families felt the joy of watching baseball together. That is why I am so disappointed about the situation in which our game finds itself today. Despite the league’s best efforts to make a deal with the Players Association, we were unable to extend our 26 year-long history of labor peace and come to an agreement with the MLBPA before the current CBA expired. Therefore, we have been forced to commence a lockout of Major League players, effective at 12:01am ET on December 2. I want to explain to you how we got here and why we have to take this action today. Simply put, we believe that an offseason lockout is the best mechanism to protect the 2022 season. We hope that the lockout will jumpstart the negotiations and get us to an agreement that will allow the season to start on time. This defensive lockout was necessary because the Players Association’s vision for Major League Baseball would threaten the ability of most teams to be competitive. It’s simply not a viable option. From the beginning, the MLBPA has been unwilling to move from their starting position, compromise, or collaborate on solutions. When we began negotiations over a new agreement, the Players Association already had a contract that they wouldn’t trade for any other in sports. Baseball’s players have no salary cap and are not subjected to a maximum length or dollar amount on contracts. In fact, only MLB has guaranteed contracts that run 10 or more years, and in excess of $300 million. We have not proposed anything that would change these fundamentals. While we have heard repeatedly that free agency is “broken” – in the month of November $1.7 billion was committed to free agents, smashing the prior record by nearly 4x. By the end of the offseason, Clubs will have committed more money to players than in any offseason in MLB history. We worked hard to find compromise while making the system even better for players, by addressing concerns raised by the Players Association. We offered to establish a minimum payroll for all clubs to meet for the first time in baseball history; to allow the majority of players to reach free agency earlier through an age-based system that would eliminate any claims of service time manipulation; and to increase compensation for all young players, including increases in the minimum salary. When negotiations lacked momentum, we tried to create some by offering to accept the universal Designated Hitter, to create a new draft system using a lottery similar to other leagues, and to increase the Competitive Balance Tax threshold that affects only a small number of teams. We have had challenges before with respect to making labor agreements and have overcome those challenges every single time during my tenure. Regrettably, it appears the Players Association came to the bargaining table with a strategy of confrontation over compromise. They never wavered from collectively the most extreme set of proposals in their history, including significant cuts to the revenue-sharing system, a weakening of the competitive balance tax, and shortening the period of time that players play for their teams. All of these changes would make our game less competitive, not more. To be clear: this hard but important step does not necessarily mean games will be cancelled. In fact, we are taking this step now because it accelerates the urgency for an agreement with as much runway as possible to avoid doing damage to the 2022 season. Delaying this process further would only put Spring Training, Opening Day, and the rest of the season further at risk – and we cannot allow an expired agreement to again cause an in-season strike and a missed World Series, like we experienced in 1994. We all owe you, our fans, better than that. Today is a difficult day for baseball, but as I have said all year, there is a path to a fair agreement, and we will find it. I do not doubt the League and the Players share a fundamental appreciation for this game and a commitment to its fans. I remain optimistic that both sides will seize the opportunity to work together to grow, protect, and strengthen the game we love. MLB is ready to work around the clock to meet that goal. I urge the Players Association to join us at the table. Manfred Read a letter from the Commissioner: https://t.co/P4gRGSlfsu pic.twitter.com/zI40uGLTni — MLB (@MLB) December 2, 2021 Statement from the Major League Baseball Players Association: pic.twitter.com/34uIGf762W — MLBPA Communications (@MLBPA_News) December 2, 2021
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