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Old 03-26-2022, 10:58 AM  
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The roster as it stands
My 2022 Game 1 roster guesses:

QB - Mahomes/Henne/Buechele
RB - CEH/McKinnon/Pacheco
FB - Burton
WR1 - MVS/ Hardman/Watson
WR2 - Juju/Moore/Fountain OR Coleman
TE - Kelce/Bell/Gray/Fortson
RT - Wylie/Christian
RG - Smith/Caliendo
C - Humphrey/Reiter
LG - Thuney/Allegretii
LT - OBJ

O = 26

LDE - Karlaftis/Danna
LDT - Nandi/Wharton
RDT - Jones/Saunders
RDE - Clark/Dunlap
WLB - Bolton/Harris
MLB - Gay/Carter
SLB - Lee/Chenal
LCB - McDuffie/Fenton/Lammons
RCB - Sneed/Williams/Watson
SS - Reid/Cook
FS - Thornhill/Bush

D = 24

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Butker
Townsend
Winchester

PTW- PS
Crum - PS
Franks - Release
Ealy - Release
Fleet-Davis - PS
Jones - Release
Gore - PS
Powell - PS
Gordon - Release
Kinnard - PS
Niang - IR
Bootle - PS
Key - Release
Barcoo - Released
Johnson - Released
Anderson - PS
Kaindoh - PS




Just trying to keep up....makes it a little more clear to be able to see needs/wants

QB - Mahomes/Henne/Buchele
RB - CEH/Jones/Gore/Pacheco
FB - Burton
WR1 - Hardman/MVS/Coleman/Dieter
WR2 - Juju/Moore/Gordon/Powell/Fountain
TE - Kelce/Bell/Gray/Fortson
RT - Niang/Wylie/Christian/Kinnard
RG - Smith
C - Humphrey/Reiter
LG - Thuney/Allegretti
LT - OBJ/PTW
LDE - Karlaftis/Danna
LDT - Nandi/Wharton
RDT - Jones/Saunders
RDE - Clark/Kaindoh
WLB - Harris/Chenal
MLB - Bolton/Carter
SLB - Gay/Lee
LCB - Fenton/McDuffie/Bootle/Watson
RCB - Sneed/Baker/Williams/Barcoo/Johnson
SS - Reid/Key/Cook
FS - Thornhill/Bush/Anderson

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Old 03-30-2022, 09:04 AM   #196
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But a Tyreek extension would have freed up money too.

What's all this revisionist history that his extension would have somehow broke us? Would we not have still afforded Reid and Juju?

And it's not like we're using the money anyway...
They’re about to get James Bradberry per reports. But you need to see the other side of this: rookie contracts.

Take a look at our corner, safety and DL. The whole damn defense. Ward is gone, Clark is only here bc of dead money, Chris Jones is getting older and has 1 year after this one left. Who is our starting DE opposite Clark? Who is our 3rd safety? Who is replacing Ward?

So my question for you is this: how we fixing the defense with limited money and only 1 draft pick in the top 60?
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But a Tyreek extension would have freed up money too.

What's all this revisionist history that his extension would have somehow broke us? Would we not have still afforded Reid and Juju?

And it's not like we're using the money anyway...
It's a change in philosophy, and you're going to have to get used to it. A Tyreek extension would free up money in the short term, pushing it forward, and the bill DOES come due. We might have eked out one more season, maybe two, and then we'd be screwed with the cap and have Mahomes, Hill, and a bunch of scrubs.

You're not going to see much of that anymore. No more getting stuck with contracts like Clark's. It's better to sell HIGH, get a haul of picks and free up cap money and spread out your resources.

Getting over the hump to a SB and maintaining a legit championship contender are different things.

We are now in category 2.

Don't panic that we're not spending enough in FA; the FA big spenders are almost never the last guys standing in February. We'll get several contributors on prudent deals, and we'll draft our future stars.

And when they get expensive, we'll flip them for a bunch of picks like we just did. And it'll be smart then, too.
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Old 03-30-2022, 09:09 AM   #198
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They’re about to get James Bradberry per reports. But you need to see the other side of this: rookie contracts.

Take a look at our corner, safety and DL. The whole damn defense. Ward is gone, Clark is only here bc of dead money, Chris Jones is getting older and has 1 year after this one left. Who is our starting DE opposite Clark? Who is our 3rd safety? Who is replacing Ward?

So my question for you is this: how we fixing the defense with limited money and only 1 draft pick in the top 60?
Yep. Pay the bill early, get more return. It's sound investment strategy.
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They’re about to get James Bradberry per reports. But you need to see the other side of this: rookie contracts.

Take a look at our corner, safety and DL. The whole damn defense. Ward is gone, Clark is only her bc of dead money, Chris Jones is getting older and has 1 year after this one left. Who is our starting DE opposite Clark? Who is our 3rd safety? Who is replacing Ward?

So my question for you is this: how we fixing the defense with limited money and only 1 draft pick in the top 60?
Don't bring back Clark. Use that 1.2 million that everyone is so happy about to attract some UDFAs. Restructure Mahomes. Re-sign Ward. Sign Reid. Go into the draft only NEEDING a DE. Not a DE, a WR1, and CB2.

Pretty much the same ideas you and everyone else had before you guys suddenly had this revelation that Tyreek was going to break the salary cap....after he was traded.
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Don't bring back Clark. Use that 1.2 million that everyone is so happy about to attract some UDFAs. Restructure Mahomes. Re-sign Ward. Sign Reid. Go into the draft only NEEDING a DE. Not a DE, a WR1, and CB2.

Pretty much the same ideas you and everyone else had before you guys suddenly had this revelation that Tyreek was going to break the salary cap.
They tried to bring Ward back and were unsuccessful. Who are you paying to replace Clark?

Your plan is terrible bc the Chiefs have several needs on defense now and in the next 2 years and no resources to do that.
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They tried to bring Ward back and we’re unsuccessful. Who are you paying to replace Clark?

You’re plan is terrible bc the Chiefs have several needs on defense now and in the next 2 years and no resources to do that.
I'm bringing in 2 UDFA DEs or roster bubble DEs to replace Clark. Worst case they give me about the same level of production and are much cheaper and younger. Best case, they pop. Isn't that the whole point of rebuilding/younger movement?

And how is creating another hole by trading the 2nd best player on the team really helping the team? Are we assuming that he's going to hit on every draft pick and that will fill the big holes in the team including Tyreek being gone?
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Your plan is to bring in fringe roster bubble players and UDFA’s to replace and a roster bubble DE that is only here bc of dead money and lack of talent?

Realy? Wow dude. I have to say that’s terrible considering our division and conference is way better now
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Realy? Wow dude. I have to say that’s terrible considering our division and conference is way better now
Because Frank Clark is better than some UDFAs? And his future is potentially better than taking a chance on them?

Remember Charvarious Ward? He was one of those UDFA roster bubble guys. Wouldn't you rather take another chance of hitting on a guy like that than try to hype yourself up over the 4 coverage sacks Frank Clark will get this season?
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I'm bringing in 2 UDFA DEs or roster bubble DEs to replace Clark. Worst case they give me about the same level of production and are much cheaper and younger. Best case, they pop. Isn't that the whole point of rebuilding/younger movement?

And how is creating another hole by trading the 2nd best player on the team really helping the team? Are we assuming that he's going to hit on every draft pick and that will fill the big holes in the team including Tyreek being gone?


Good luck actually fielding a defense. Good God.
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Don't bring back Clark. Use that 1.2 million that everyone is so happy about to attract some UDFAs. Restructure Mahomes. Re-sign Ward. Sign Reid. Go into the draft only NEEDING a DE. Not a DE, a WR1, and CB2.

Pretty much the same ideas you and everyone else had before you guys suddenly had this revelation that Tyreek was going to break the salary cap....after he was traded.
Yes, UDFAs! That's the way to go.

In your scenario, you know we need 2 DEs, right? And how do we "just re-sign" Ward? Do we have enough then for JuJu?

Seems like in your world, we would need DE1, DE2, and WR2. And we'd have fewer picks and less cap flexibility to make it all work.

Brilliant plan as always! I'm sure some of those UDFAs you're so excited about will be day 1 starters and fill all necessary holes.
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I'm bringing in 2 UDFA DEs or roster bubble DEs to replace Clark. Worst case they give me about the same level of production and are much cheaper and younger. Best case, they pop. Isn't that the whole point of rebuilding/younger movement?

And how is creating another hole by trading the 2nd best player on the team really helping the team? Are we assuming that he's going to hit on every draft pick and that will fill the big holes in the team including Tyreek being gone?
So you're questioning about Veach hitting on draft picks but are just going to assume that UDFA DEs are going to come in and actually give this defense something?
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Don't bring back Clark. Use that 1.2 million that everyone is so happy about to attract some UDFAs. Restructure Mahomes. Re-sign Ward. Sign Reid. Go into the draft only NEEDING a DE. Not a DE, a WR1, and CB2.

Pretty much the same ideas you and everyone else had before you guys suddenly had this revelation that Tyreek was going to break the salary cap....after he was traded.
You're pushing all of that money down the road.

Clark's $1.2m is NOTHING. Just disregard that. It's SO not important, and harping on it just shows that you're reacting emotionally and not logically. Emotionally, I want that ****er GONE, I'm so sick of his shit. Logically, I understand that we're paying $1.2m this season for a rotational DE piece rather than having to fill TWO spots as we would if we released him. Clark is no longer important. He's filling a space for $1.2m. Re-sign Ward for what, $14m per? WAIT YOU SAY-JUST STRUCTURE THIS YEAR'S HIT TO BE LOWER!-yeah, well, that means next year or the year after the cap hit is huge. Pay now, or pay later, but either way, YOU GOT TO PAY.

Reid is 25, cheaper than what Mathieu wanted, so we got younger, bigger, faster, and cheaper. THAT is a good signing.

I've made my opinions about paying second contracts at market value for boundary corners pretty clear, I think, so no way I pay Ward that. But if you do, you pretty much guarantee that you won't be able to pay Sneed when it's time, because you had to push Ward's money out to fit it in '22-and I would stand on the table and argue loudly that Sneed is a more important piece because of his versatility. So you can pay Ward now, or Sneed later, but probably not both.

Do you understand now? No, I guess not.

I'm tired of arguing with you, because you're just stubbornly refusing to see logic. I was VERY surprised that Veach and Andy went this way, but I'm impressed as hell that they were able to see that it needed to be done.
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The defense was predicated on bringing Frank Clark back?

When you were for re-signing Tyreek, did you not have a plan for the defense?
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Good luck actually fielding a defense. Good God.
He doesn't understand that for every 1 Charvarious Ward that hits, there are 100 UDFAs that don't even make the active roster because they're not remotely good enough.

But he thinks those guys couldn't be any worse than Frank Clark. Riiiiiight...
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The defense was predicated on bringing Frank Clark back?

When you were for re-signing Tyreek, did you not have a plan for the defense?
Yeah....that plan for fixing the defense was going to take 2 years because we didn't have a ton of money or a ton of picks.

It definitely wasn't "throw some UDFA DEs" on the roster and roll to another Super Bowl.
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