Do you trust Veach/Reid to draft WR or DE?

[emaw1979]

Everyone is pretty excited and rightfully so to have 6 top 100 draft picks in this incredibly deep draft. Two of our biggest needs are DE and WR and two of the deepest position groups in the draft. This couldn't be more perfect, right?

I'm starting to get a little nervous because this draft may be the difference between setting the franchise up for years of continued success or the end of a mini-dynasty. Given this team's draft history of DE and WR under Reid, I am a little worried. I fully trust them at drafting G/C positions and CBs anywhere in the draft. Their record with QB is pretty dang good as well. It's just CB and pass rush that I'm concerned about with them.


Reid/Dorsey

2013 DE Mike Catapano 7th...throw away pick. 2 Career sacks.
2014 DE Dee Ford. 1st round pick. Played more than 6 games twice in his 8 year career. Had 1 pro bowl season in 2018. Is he considered a bust?
2015 WR Chris Conley 3rd round. Was drafted more on potential. Best season so far for him was in Jacksonville 47/775/5.
2016 WR DeMarcus Robinson 4th...Mr Backwards. Role Player at best.
2016 WR Tyreek Hill 5th. Accidently ran into greatness. Was drafted as KR and the plan was to use him primarily as an RB.
2016 DE Dadi Nicolas 6th...
2017 DE Tanoh Kpass 2nd...bust. I'd have liked to see him with Spags his entire career though instead of the previous cluster ****.
2017 WR Jehu Chesson 4th...

Reid/Veach

2018 DE Beeland Speaks 2nd (traded up for this loser) BUST
2018 WR/CB/KR Tremon Smith 6th...I don't remember if he was CB then they moved him to WR or vice versa.
2019 WR Mecole Hardman 2nd BUST. The guy has all the speed and talent to be a very good WR but skips out on working out with Mahomes in the off-season and never seems to be on the same page as Mahomes.
2020 DE Michael Danna 5th. He plays because they have garbage at DE. Not a starter level but role type player, which is fine for a 5th rounder.
2021 DE Joshua Kaindoh 4th. Can a 4th rounder be a bust? MIA
2021 WR Cornell Powell 5th. Can a 5th rounder be a bust? MIA

Obviously, Reid did draft some good players at those positions in Philly.
DE Derrick Burgess
DE Trent Cole
WR Desean Jackson
WR Jeremy Macklin
WR Jason Avant

[O.city]

Originally Posted by In58men

Man, I have this same feeling too.

Something tells me we’re going to trade for him.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

If I'm a WR I just am not signing an extension right now. I'm going to the market.

Because Godwin got hurt and STILL got paid.

So unless I'm getting top 5 WR money, I'm playing out my contract and getting to FA. The market is just way too hot for them right now.

And I'm not giving up draft capital for someone I'm just gonna have to trade again in a year. Especially not when I still don't have Brown's LTC done so I need to ensure that I have my franchise tag free next season.

If you could get him to take Godwin's deal, I'd think that works out.

Trade Tyreek and take the picks and money from him and turn that into Josh Allen and McLaurin.

Done deal.

[In58men]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

If I'm a WR I just am not signing an extension right now. I'm going to the market.

Because Godwin got hurt and STILL got paid.

So unless I'm getting top 5 WR money, I'm playing out my contract and getting to FA. The market is just way too hot for them right now.

And I'm not giving up draft capital for someone I'm just gonna have to trade again in a year. Especially not when I still don't have Brown's LTC done so I need to ensure that I have my franchise tag free next season.

Are we just never going to pay a quality WR top money? Juju is going to want to get paid too, we can’t keep giving FAs 1-year prove it deals. Eventually they’ll have to figure something out and give Mahomes a stable #1.

It’s either throw darts or pay the proven vet. Not sure Veach wants to gamble with a rookie when he’s paying Mahomes 500 milly. They can figure it out. Go get McLaurin.

[O.city]

Theoretically, yes. Keep churning thru the WR's and leave it up to Patrick and Andy to make them work.

He gets the big contract. Thems the breaks.

[The Franchise]

I'm okay with paying a top WR around $20 million a season but that requires constant churning of the WRs outside of him. That and only if that WR earning $20 million is worth it. I'm not paying Christian Kirk $20 million.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by O.city

It was never a good pick. Just terrible value on a position that's easier to fill than Pestilence's mom.

"Value picks" like that are how you get into positions like we're in now. Had they taken a WR there, we'd be better off now.

Forward thinking in the draft. Alwasys.

Originally Posted by chiefforlife

Yes and No, Probably shouldnt have taken a 1st rounder BUT had they taken any other top RB, Taylor, Swift, Dobbins (2nd rounders) or even Antonio Gibson (3rd rounder) we would be much happier with the pick.

So I think both sides of this discussion have merit.

One I don't think we've seen the best out of CEH but this season will tell the story. I don't believe we picked the wrong running back unless he can't kick the injury prone moniker but i think he can. Everyone underestimates CEH and that's fine he knows it. He admitted coming into camp underweight because he lost wait after his gall bladder surgery during offseason. Ok I'm not making that as an excuse but it probably didn't help him. He did come on strong in the playoffs a lot stronger than Johnathan Taylor how many TD rushing yards he get?

CEH had a hell of a good rookie season and everyone loved him then the next season fumbles the ball for the first time in NFL and he gets dogged on. He wasn't at 100% and coach should have held him out first 6 games.

It wasn't a mistake to pick CEH for our #32 pick he just has to stay healthy but you do the splits getting tackled and see how that feels. He was running over teams in his rookie year and before he got hurt talk of OROTY. So now his third year i have higher expectations and he will come though of course this offensive line it's not going be hard for him to look good when he get to the second wave of tacklers. At the time of the draft RB was our biggest need even if you don't draft running backs in the first round.

This is the kind of play we should expect out of CEH he has it in him just need him for the season.

[The Franchise]

It ABSOLUTELY was a mistake drafting CEH at #32. There's nothing we can do about it now.

[O.city]

You can get a running back that does what CEH does in the 3rd/4th round of every draft. Every year.

[chiefforlife]

Originally Posted by In58men

Are we just never going to pay a quality WR top money? Juju is going to want to get paid too, we can’t keep giving FAs 1-year prove it deals. Eventually they’ll have to figure something out and give Mahomes a stable #1.

It’s either throw darts or pay the proven vet. Not sure Veach wants to gamble with a rookie when he’s paying Mahomes 500 milly. They can figure it out. Go get McLaurin.

Its not like they werent going to pay BIG money to Tyreek, they were.

IF they trade for Mclaurin, let him play out this year and if it works they will pay him. Id be all for that. Mclaurin is awesome and wasted in Washington.

I think he would be so happy to be on a winning team and having Patrick be his QB that he wouldnt demand top money to stay on this team.

Yes he will want to be paid but he also has seen the other side. The side Tyreek hasnt seen yet...

[In58men]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

It ABSOLUTELY was a mistake drafting CEH at #32. There's nothing we can do about it now.

Mahomes had a say in that pick IIRC

[chiefforlife]

Originally Posted by In58men

Mahomes had a say in that pick IIRC

SO!

Still a bad pick.

[CatfishBob2]

I would never be down with taking a 5'7 200lb running back with our first pick unless he was the second coming off Barry Sanders. CEH isn't in the same universe

I'm not opposed to taking an RB in the first and I don't believe you're excluded from taking another one high in the draft just because you overdrafted CEH. Unfornately or fortunately, however you look at it, there isn't an RB worth taking in the top half of this draft

[In58men]

Originally Posted by chiefforlife

SO!

Still a bad pick.

Obviously, but does it fall on Veach?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

If you could get him to take Godwin's deal, I'd think that works out.

Trade Tyreek and take the picks and money from him and turn that into Josh Allen and McLaurin.

Done deal.

Sure, but Godwin signed his deal coming off injury and before the market was re-set.

I don't think a healthy McLaurin signs that deal.

Oh, and the 'Tyreek Money' wouldn't pay for Allen and McLaurin. Especially not when Allen inevitably insists on a new deal of his own.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by In58men

Obviously, but does it fall on Veach?

Yes.

Why wouldn't it?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Sure, but Godwin signed his deal coming off injury and before the market was re-set.

I don't think a healthy McLaurin signs that deal.

Oh, and the 'Tyreek Money' wouldn't pay for Allen and McLaurin. Especially not when Allen inevitably insists on a new deal of his own.

Fine.

A first and a 2nd and new contracts for OBJ Allen and Terry. I still have 10 picks here in this draft.

There. Done.