Chiefs Don't blame MEH for his performance Monday night - Page 3

dlphg9 · 10-12-2022, 02:18 PM

I'm no fan of MEH and I never have been, so its hard for me to say this, but his lack of production in the run game on Monday night is on the OL. They did an atrocious job of blocking for him. My initial reaction from the game was that he just had one of his typical shitty games that we have grown accustom to seeing from him, but a look into the stats show that the offensive line failed him.

Clyde had 9 carries for a total of 15 yds, but the most telling stat is his yards before contact (YBC). In his career he has averaged 2.3 YBC/ATT, but Monday night he only had 6 yards before contact on 9 rushes. That comes out to 0.3 YBC/ATT and that means he was getting his pretty much at the line of scrimmage every single play. That is the 2nd lowest YBC/ATT for his entire career and the only game that was less? The Colts game a couple weeks back. In that game he had -6 YBC on 7 rushes. That comes out to -0.9 YBC/ATT.

So lets try to stop blaming him so much for his crappy stats on Monday, because the OL didn't help him even a little.

Demonpenz · 10-12-2022, 05:00 PM

What is fun is no matter what CP thinks he will get his touches. Like bitching at him isn't going to take away his PT

PAChiefsGuy · 10-12-2022, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Not saying he isn't replaceable. I would imagine a big part of them drafting Pacheco is just that, to replace CEH. However, Pacheco hasn't shown anything more than Clyde at this point. He wasn't picking up as many yards as CEH. He was bad with the same blocking in which the OL sucked and he was good in the same games that the blocking didn't suck.

CEH is still the best RB we have on the roster. So he may be replaceable, but he's currently not replaceable with the RBs the Chiefs have on their roster.

So wtf are we bitching about 4.5 YPC for every ****ing week, even when he has a good game?

What has CEH shown you that makes you think he is better than McKinnon or Pacheco? Just curious where this line of thinking is coming from, because he gets more carries?

dlphg9 · 10-12-2022, 05:20 PM

I guess I should have added that MEH isn't good enough to make up for any deficiencies with the OL. He's not making yards if the line doesn't block perfectly, because he is a pile of shit.

jd1020 · 10-12-2022, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

What has CEH shown you that makes you think he is better than McKinnon or Pacheco? Just curious where this line of thinking is coming from, because he gets more carries?

McKinnon isn't even the same kind of RB. He is faster and can get to the edge but ask him to run up the middle and see how long he lasts. Before last night he had a 3 YPC average.

Pacheco hasn't shown **** all better than CEH. He was equally bad in the same games that CEH wasnt productive in because the run blocking was trash and he wasn't as good in the games where they were both productive. It's like people think Pacheco has shown more because he moves his feet faster which means he just gets to the ass of his blocker faster for minimal gain. People want to argue that Pacheco has potential to break off a big run, yet his long is like 20 yards shorter than CEH's. People want to act like Pacheco moves the pile and CEH doesnt yet CEH had a full yard more in YAC per attempt when that argument was brought up. Pacheco may have more potential given his speed, but he hasn't shown anything to suggest he is better yet and every argument to suggest he has is so easily disproven by a 30 second google search.

-King- · 10-12-2022, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

McKinnon isn't even the same kind of RB. He is faster and can get to the edge but ask him to run up the middle and see how long he lasts. Before last night he had a 3 YPC average.

Pacheco hasn't shown **** all better than CEH. He was equally bad in the same games that CEH wasnt productive in because the run blocking was trash and he wasn't as good in the games where they were both productive. It's like people think Pacheco has shown more because he moves his feet faster which means he just gets to the ass of his blocker faster for minimal gain. People want to argue that Pacheco has potential to break off a big run, yet his long is like 20 yards shorter than CEH's. People want to act like Pacheco moves the pile and CEH doesnt yet CEH had a full yard more in YAC per attempt when that argument was brought up. Pacheco may have more potential given his speed, but he hasn't shown anything to suggest he is better yet and every argument to suggest he has is so easily disproven by a 30 second google search.

How come with Pacheco you don't bring up his 4.8 ypc like you do CEHs 4.5ypc?

jd1020 · 10-12-2022, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

How come with Pacheco you don't bring up his 4.8 ypc like you do CEHs 4.5ypc?

Because CEH was ahead of him in YPC til they were icing the Buccs game and they were just pounding the ball and Pacheco was on the field against the Raiders for all of 1 run for 0 yards.

He hasn't shown dick to say he is better than CEH and the fact he got 1 carry against the Raiders is all the evidence you need.

-King- · 10-12-2022, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Because CEH was ahead of him in YPC til they were icing the Buccs game and they were just pounding the ball and Pacheco was on the field against the Raiders for all of 1 run for 0 yards.

He hasn't shown dick to say he is better than CEH and the fact he got 1 carry against the Raiders is all the evidence you need.

I mean CEH's YPC is extremely inflated by his 52 yard run. Without it he's averaging 3.4ypc. Take Pacheco's longest run out and he's still averaging 4.2.

jd1020 · 10-12-2022, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

I mean CEH's YPC is extremely inflated by his 52 yard run. Without it he's averaging 3.4ypc. Take Pacheco's longest run out and he's still averaging 4.2.

If only you could take out someones best run like it doesnt exist and act like sitting out an entire game in which both of them are likely to fail, preserving ones YPC, is evidence of anything.

Megatron96 · 10-12-2022, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

McKinnon isn't even the same kind of RB. He is faster and can get to the edge but ask him to run up the middle and see how long he lasts. Before last night he had a 3 YPC average.

Subtract Jerrick's 30 yarder, and his average drops to 3.28yds/att.

Just sayin'.

Chief Pagan · 10-12-2022, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

What has CEH shown you that makes you think he is better than McKinnon or Pacheco? Just curious where this line of thinking is coming from, because he gets more carries?

Yea, seems to me McKinnon is better. But being injury prone, I can understand why they would want to limit his carries.

I don't particularly think Pacheco is better than CEH, yet. But his ceiling sure looks higher and I'm not convinced his floor is any lower.

-King- · 10-12-2022, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

If only you could take out someones best run like it doesnt exist and act like sitting out an entire game in which both of them are likely to fail, preserving ones YPC, is evidence of anything.

Why do you think both are likely to fail other than you appealing to authority?

Megatron96 · 10-12-2022, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

If only you could take out someones best run like it doesnt exist and act like sitting out an entire game in which both of them are likely to fail, preserving ones YPC, is evidence of anything.

That's actually the proper way to analyze any statistical data group. Or at least it was when I took statistics in HS and college.

One of the first things you do when looking at data is to remove the largest/highest and the lowest values (they are considered outliers), then average out the rest. That eliminates most of the 'skewing' effect that one or two incongruous pieces of data can create (can't remember the proper term for that right now).

jd1020 · 10-12-2022, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

That's actually the proper way to analyze any statistical data group. Or at least it was when I took statistics in HS and college.

One of the first things you do when looking at data is to remove the largest/highest and the lowest values (they are considered outliers), then average out the rest. That eliminates most of the 'skewing' effect that one or two incongruous pieces of data can create (can't remember the proper term for that right now).

So you agree that its the proper way to go about evaluating data and then you disagree in the very next paragraph by saying you also have to remove the worst outcomes. Brilliant.

493rd · 10-12-2022, 05:54 PM

What’s more concerning CEH underwhelming weekly or Andy Reid seemingly failing to recognize it? It’s inexplicable how CEH keeps getting trotted out there in front of McKinnon and Pacheco. If CEH had been a 5th rounder or later he’d have been cut already.

rabblerouser · 10-12-2022, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If Helaire was a 5th round pick and not a 1st round pick, he'd have been cut by now.

He definitely wouldn't be starting, unless it was on kickoff coverage.

10-12-2022, 02:18 PM
dlphg9 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1650347	Don't blame MEH for his performance Monday night I'm no fan of MEH and I never have been, so its hard for me to say this, but his lack of production in the run game on Monday night is on the OL. They did an atrocious job of blocking for him. My initial reaction from the game was that he just had one of his typical shitty games that we have grown accustom to seeing from him, but a look into the stats show that the offensive line failed him. Clyde had 9 carries for a total of 15 yds, but the most telling stat is his yards before contact (YBC). In his career he has averaged 2.3 YBC/ATT, but Monday night he only had 6 yards before contact on 9 rushes. That comes out to 0.3 YBC/ATT and that means he was getting his pretty much at the line of scrimmage every single play. That is the 2nd lowest YBC/ATT for his entire career and the only game that was less? The Colts game a couple weeks back. In that game he had -6 YBC on 7 rushes. That comes out to -0.9 YBC/ATT. So lets try to stop blaming him so much for his crappy stats on Monday, because the OL didn't help him even a little.
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dlphg9 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1650347	I guess I should have added that MEH isn't good enough to make up for any deficiencies with the OL. He's not making yards if the line doesn't block perfectly, because he is a pile of shit.
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493rd GDT Contributor Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: * Casino cash: $-509600	What’s more concerning CEH underwhelming weekly or Andy Reid seemingly failing to recognize it? It’s inexplicable how CEH keeps getting trotted out there in front of McKinnon and Pacheco. If CEH had been a 5th rounder or later he’d have been cut already.
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