Chiefs A Levelheaded Review Wk17 - Page 3

DenverChief · 01-01-2023, 03:08 PM

1. The missed XP & FG - didn't get to see another view of the XP snap - looks like Tommy just flat out dropped the ball. Love the initial effort to just take it in for 2 but when he realized he wasn't gonna get there it got ugly. Maybe Tommy is the problem. Need to figure out the XP/FG thing real quick. That will kill us in the playoffs. The missed FG at half, dunno what to say other that Butker flat out shanked that kick. I watched closely as the ball was snapped. It was a clean catch and perfect placement (laces out) Butker for whatever reason hit it like a parent chasing a child around the house.

2. EZ Interception. The Broncos seem to have figured out how to get Pat to throw picks. 4 total in the last two meetings combined. Disappointed in this one but Pat takes risks and sometimes they don't work out. I did think it was interesting that Pat didn't throw to Pat's side all game. Much respect for the Surtain.

3. Toney PR fumble was just good special teams work. Can't really fault Toney for fumbling - it was a good strip. Chiefs have to know other teams are looking to strip the ball now. Knowing that our guys aren't holding the ball with two hands in traffic.

4. Defense played really well multiple batted balls, couple of Wilson sacks and bottled their O pretty effectively. 2nd Q big 3rd down play with about a minute left. They just found the soft spot in the D, this is a direct result of LB's in coverage. Need to find that Sorenson hybrid LB/DB. Someone with size to play the run and speed to play the pass. Defense really came up big today when it counted and they have improved dramatically over the last couple of games. The addition of Brandon Williams seems to correlate with the improved pass rush and run D.

5. Watson, just when you thought he was done for he comes up with a huge play in the final seconds of the first half. Great catch - absolutely amazed at what Mahomes can make happen with very little time on the clock.

6. The Broncos are a proud organization they know the score and they are going to give us 110% every game year after year. We have to be prepared for that. Especially with the dismissal of their HC. Denver last swept us multiple years in the division from 2012 thru 2014. We have been sweeping them every year since 2016, 14 games in a row, quite the feat. Especially considering a lot our rivalry has been to split the series. They are no slouches and were projected to give the Chiefs a run for their money this year. Their Defense is really good - their offense is okay.

7. Patrick is back to playing the long ball game when it's not there. Gotta take the open stuff underneath. He missed Pacheco wide open in the flat a couple of times. Need to see the all 22 but Juju and Kelce both disappeared through the 1st three quarters. Need to game plan to get them in the game earlier.

8. Sneed wanted that pick 6 pretty bad and got absolutely leveled by Jerry Jeudy. Gotta have your head on a swivel if you are gonna dance around after an interception. Glad to see he is okay after taking that hit.

9. Referees - Pass interference the PI on Sutton was super ticky tacky as was the Williams PI. The 4th and 7th play was incredibly confusing. Illegal hands to the face (which no replay - show me the penalty - I hate them ignoring that) before the interception - 5 yard penalty makes it 4th & 2. The sticks were set up for 1st and 10 but the down marker was 4th down. Didn't matter as Jeudy got a 9 yard pass but talk about discombobulated. WTF was going on with the zebras today.

10. Injuries Thuney and Skyy. Obviously the Thuney injury hurts, hopefully it is just minor and can make a complete recovery before the playoffs.

scho63 · 01-01-2023, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

My levelheaded view is the Chiefs need to stop making the simple complicated.

Extra points.

Converting 3rd and 1’s.

Stopping 3rd and long on defense.

Plus turnovers and penalties at bad times.

scho63 · 01-01-2023, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Turnovers are the great equalizer. I don't care how shitty a team's record is to date.

If we score (even a FG) instead of the INT, hold on to the ball on the punt return, this game is a 34-17 laugher.

IF, IF, IF !

Andy Reid has been bitching about that for over half a season and yet it still continues.

If it can't be stopped before the playoffs, we likely lose early.

Megatron96 · 01-01-2023, 04:00 PM

Talking heads brought it up during the game; KC has been dreadful on the first drive of the half to start games and after the half. Shockingly, in spite of the potential value of passing plays, those points haven't translated to the scoreboard. It's almost like running the ball could be valuable somehow.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-01-2023, 04:08 PM

Will say it til I’m blue in the face. We gotta upgrade at WR. Juju disappears in stretches because he’s not a WR1. None of our guys are. And we shouldn’t let CB1s flat out take away our top WR target. Is it even debatable anymore?

Mvs is not on the same page. Some is on mahomes today but the guy is just awful at playing the ball in the air. If hardman comes back I’m not sure how you can justify giving Mvs quality reps at this point. Mahomes doesn’t look like he trusts these guys and who can blame him?

In the meantime keep at it with this efficient offense. but in the offseason give him a reliable weapon and bump every WR down one spot.

Mosbonian · 01-01-2023, 04:10 PM

Anyone besides me notice that Courtland Sutton spends a lot of time complaining on the field?

You would think that every DB in the league he plays against is constantly holding him or committing some sort of penalty?

WilliamTheIrish · 01-01-2023, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63

IF, IF, IF !

Andy Reid has been bitching about that for over half a season and yet it still continues.

If it can't be stopped before the playoffs, we likely lose early.

Turnovers: The great equalizer.

It's been true all year. It's bitten this team twice. If this weren't Mahomes under center, this would be a 10-6 team. (IMO)

They are what they are. Either overcome or die.

**Bowser** · 01-01-2023, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Shag

I don't get this mentality at all, that's 100% Toney's fault. Everybody tries to strip the ball, his #1 job is to hold onto it.

He shouldn't have even fielded it inside the 5 to begin with, really.

Shag · 01-01-2023, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

He shouldn't have even fielded it inside the 5 to begin with, really.

It happens so often, it's tempting to believe it's being coached. Such a simple concept that none of our returners can grasp.

**HayWire** · 01-01-2023, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

Fair enough or he could have gone down with the ball instead of trying to hang on and keep moving forward.

Could have but one major fundamental in football and basketball is to keep the ball on the opposite side of your body so the defender has to go threw you to get to it. It should have been a minor issue but since he fumbled that should be pointed out in the film room.

Still better than butterfingers Moore.

Megatron96 · 01-01-2023, 04:24 PM

Lolz, the bitching is delicious. Game was never really in doubt, in spite of the offense kind of going reerun for the 3rd quarter. Remember, these last four games were going to be pretty vanilla all around, so not that surprising that our opponents could make it look more competitive than it actually was.

Spoiler alert: next week will be just another vanilla game that KC will still win without much drama. And not a lot of fireworks either.

lcarus · 01-01-2023, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DrunkBassGuitar

that hands to face was super ticky tack. they showed it for a second and it looked like incidental contact but maybe I missed something there

It was a total bailout call. Looked like his hand barely brushed the facemask of the WR as he was breaking inside. I guess it was a makeup call for that ticky tack offensive PI call on Sutton. I hate it but I have to be fair. That was a shit call and I'd be pissed if they called it on the Chiefs.

DenverChief · 01-01-2023, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Will say it til I’m blue in the face. We gotta upgrade at WR. Juju disappears in stretches because he’s not a WR1. None of our guys are. And we shouldn’t let CB1s flat out take away our top WR target. Is it even debatable anymore?

Mvs is not on the same page. Some is on mahomes today but the guy is just awful at playing the ball in the air. If hardman comes back I’m not sure how you can justify giving Mvs quality reps at this point. Mahomes doesn’t look like he trusts these guys and who can blame him?

In the meantime keep at it with this efficient offense. but in the offseason give him a reliable weapon and bump every WR down one spot.

News Flash - Pat Surtain is a Pro Bowler. So far this year he has played 918 snaps with 63 targets allowing 30 Completions for a competition percentage of 47.6% and 2 INTs

Best22 · 01-01-2023, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

Lolz, the bitching is delicious. Game was never really in doubt, in spite of the offense kind of going reerun for the 3rd quarter. Remember, these last four games were going to be pretty vanilla all around, so not that surprising that our opponents could make it look more competitive than it actually was.

Spoiler alert: next week will be just another vanilla game that KC will still win without much drama. And not a lot of fireworks either.

We can’t afford to play “vanilla” against the Raiders next week

They’re already beating the 49ers.

DenverChief · 01-01-2023, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

It was a total bailout call. Looked like his hand barely brushed the facemask of the WR as he was breaking inside. I guess it was a makeup call for that ticky tack offensive PI call on Sutton. I hate it but I have to be fair. That was a shit call and I'd be pissed if they called it on the Chiefs.

The Williams DPI call was garbage. There was nothing there

DenverChief · 01-01-2023, 04:32 PM

Also - I forgot to mention - Mahomes seemed really apprehensive running the ball. Dunno what that was about but seemed really un-Mahomes like.

01-01-2023, 03:08 PM
DenverChief Pedantic Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Rocky Ford Casino cash: $3072617	A Levelheaded Review Wk17 1. The missed XP & FG - didn't get to see another view of the XP snap - looks like Tommy just flat out dropped the ball. Love the initial effort to just take it in for 2 but when he realized he wasn't gonna get there it got ugly. Maybe Tommy is the problem. Need to figure out the XP/FG thing real quick. That will kill us in the playoffs. The missed FG at half, dunno what to say other that Butker flat out shanked that kick. I watched closely as the ball was snapped. It was a clean catch and perfect placement (laces out) Butker for whatever reason hit it like a parent chasing a child around the house. 2. EZ Interception. The Broncos seem to have figured out how to get Pat to throw picks. 4 total in the last two meetings combined. Disappointed in this one but Pat takes risks and sometimes they don't work out. I did think it was interesting that Pat didn't throw to Pat's side all game. Much respect for the Surtain. 3. Toney PR fumble was just good special teams work. Can't really fault Toney for fumbling - it was a good strip. Chiefs have to know other teams are looking to strip the ball now. Knowing that our guys aren't holding the ball with two hands in traffic. 4. Defense played really well multiple batted balls, couple of Wilson sacks and bottled their O pretty effectively. 2nd Q big 3rd down play with about a minute left. They just found the soft spot in the D, this is a direct result of LB's in coverage. Need to find that Sorenson hybrid LB/DB. Someone with size to play the run and speed to play the pass. Defense really came up big today when it counted and they have improved dramatically over the last couple of games. The addition of Brandon Williams seems to correlate with the improved pass rush and run D. 5. Watson, just when you thought he was done for he comes up with a huge play in the final seconds of the first half. Great catch - absolutely amazed at what Mahomes can make happen with very little time on the clock. 6. The Broncos are a proud organization they know the score and they are going to give us 110% every game year after year. We have to be prepared for that. Especially with the dismissal of their HC. Denver last swept us multiple years in the division from 2012 thru 2014. We have been sweeping them every year since 2016, 14 games in a row, quite the feat. Especially considering a lot our rivalry has been to split the series. They are no slouches and were projected to give the Chiefs a run for their money this year. Their Defense is really good - their offense is okay. 7. Patrick is back to playing the long ball game when it's not there. Gotta take the open stuff underneath. He missed Pacheco wide open in the flat a couple of times. Need to see the all 22 but Juju and Kelce both disappeared through the 1st three quarters. Need to game plan to get them in the game earlier. 8. Sneed wanted that pick 6 pretty bad and got absolutely leveled by Jerry Jeudy. Gotta have your head on a swivel if you are gonna dance around after an interception. Glad to see he is okay after taking that hit. 9. Referees - Pass interference the PI on Sutton was super ticky tacky as was the Williams PI. The 4th and 7th play was incredibly confusing. Illegal hands to the face (which no replay - show me the penalty - I hate them ignoring that) before the interception - 5 yard penalty makes it 4th & 2. The sticks were set up for 1st and 10 but the down marker was 4th down. Didn't matter as Jeudy got a 9 yard pass but talk about discombobulated. WTF was going on with the zebras today. 10. Injuries Thuney and Skyy. Obviously the Thuney injury hurts, hopefully it is just minor and can make a complete recovery before the playoffs.
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Megatron96 Suupraa Geniuuusss Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: North Phoenix, AZ Casino cash: $-1769600	Talking heads brought it up during the game; KC has been dreadful on the first drive of the half to start games and after the half. Shockingly, in spite of the potential value of passing plays, those points haven't translated to the scoreboard. It's almost like running the ball could be valuable somehow. __________________ *“Some ideas are so stupid only intellectuals believe them.”*- George Orwell Steven "Spags" Spagnuolo is my Adopt-A-Chief!!!
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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1575503	Will say it til I’m blue in the face. We gotta upgrade at WR. Juju disappears in stretches because he’s not a WR1. None of our guys are. And we shouldn’t let CB1s flat out take away our top WR target. Is it even debatable anymore? Mvs is not on the same page. Some is on mahomes today but the guy is just awful at playing the ball in the air. If hardman comes back I’m not sure how you can justify giving Mvs quality reps at this point. Mahomes doesn’t look like he trusts these guys and who can blame him? In the meantime keep at it with this efficient offense. but in the offseason give him a reliable weapon and bump every WR down one spot.
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Megatron96 Suupraa Geniuuusss Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: North Phoenix, AZ Casino cash: $-1769600	Lolz, the bitching is delicious. Game was never really in doubt, in spite of the offense kind of going reerun for the 3rd quarter. Remember, these last four games were going to be pretty vanilla all around, so not that surprising that our opponents could make it look more competitive than it actually was. Spoiler alert: next week will be just another vanilla game that KC will still win without much drama. And not a lot of fireworks either. __________________ *“Some ideas are so stupid only intellectuals believe them.”*- George Orwell Steven "Spags" Spagnuolo is my Adopt-A-Chief!!!
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