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Old 01-30-2023, 10:28 PM  
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Playoff wins as the measure of a QB
One of the best all-encompassing measures of a QB's greatness might be playoff wins. If you look at this stat against most lists of the greatest QBs of all time, (at least those of the Super Bowl era) it lines up pretty closely.

Only 11 QBs in history have more playoff wins than Patrick Mahomes, who already has 11 at age 27.

The list with more than Mahomes:
Brady - 35
Montana - 16
Manning, Young, Elway, Bradshaw - 14
Roethlisberger, Favre, Staubach - 13
Rodgers - 12
  • Tom Brady has more than double what anyone else has, but at age 27 Brady only had 6 playoff wins.
  • Joe Montana's 10th was the 1988 Super Bowl win over Cincinatti, he was 31 years old that day.
  • Peyton Manning and John Elway both got their 10th at age 37. Brett Favre's 10th win came at age 32.

It already looks like a good bet that Mahomes will finish #2 all time in that measure. Everyone beyond 10 wins is a Hall of Famer or will be.
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Old 01-30-2023, 11:53 PM   #16
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The list of QBs in the HOF roughly from the Super Bowl era that don't have 10 playoff wins is:

Starr, Warner, Kelly - 9
Marino - 8
Griese, Stabler - 7
Tarkenton - 6
Dawson - 5
Fouts - 3
Moon - 3
Namath - 2

That's a list of good QBs, but I don't think anyone on this list should be mentioned in the same category of greatness as anyone on the list in the OP.
One surprising thing is Buffalo "only" had 9 playoff wins during Jim Kelly's career. You would think a team that went to 4 straight Super Bowls would end up with more than 9 playoff wins.
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Old 01-31-2023, 12:00 AM   #17
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One surprising thing is Buffalo "only" had 9 playoff wins during Jim Kelly's career. You would think a team that went to 4 straight Super Bowls would end up with more than 9 playoff wins.
This is probably a little harsh on Jim Kelly, because he was injured for the first 2 playoff games in 1993 which the Bills won with Frank Reich at QB. You'd guess he would have 11 wins otherwise.
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Old 01-31-2023, 12:25 AM   #18
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Old 01-31-2023, 12:31 AM   #19
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One surprising thing is Buffalo "only" had 9 playoff wins during Jim Kelly's career. You would think a team that went to 4 straight Super Bowls would end up with more than 9 playoff wins.
Tarkenton is another like that. Went to three in four years, yet only has six wins. Lost all three and never won a playoff game outside those years.
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Tarkenton is another like that. Went to three in four years, yet only has six wins. Lost all three and never won a playoff game outside those years.
Tarkenton was a hell of a player. Fran had that magical scrambling ability. I like to think Mahomes is an evolved version of him.
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Tarkenton was a hell of a player. Fran had that magical scrambling ability. I like to think Mahomes is an evolved version of him.
And a taller one! First time I saw Mahomes play I thought of Tarkenton. Same ability to extend plays outside the pocket, but without the arm talent. Loved those Viking teams with the Eller/Page/Krause defense, the great Chuck Foreman at RB and of course Bud Grant in short sleeves in 20 degree weather.
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And behind most of those QBs was an outstanding defense.
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Tarkenton is another like that. Went to three in four years, yet only has six wins. Lost all three and never won a playoff game outside those years.
What I like about playoff wins is that it doesn't measure talent, it measures accomplishment.
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the undisputed king of playoff QBs right here folks

highest winning percentage in postseason history among QBs with at least 10 starts
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Mahomes is going to cream pie the Eagles
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Marino was a playoff choker.

Mahomes would NEVER go out 62-7.

Look at some of these stinkers.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c.../gamelog/post/

77 career QB rating in the playoffs.

17-43?
To be fair to Marino, Mahomes has a QB rating of 60 across two Super Bowls.

It's a team sport.
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