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Old 01-31-2023, 06:18 PM  
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3rd/4th and 1 Conversions
A lot was made in Sunday's AFC Championship game about the Chiefs inability to convert in 3rd & 1 and 4th & 1 scenarios. If I remember correctly Romo said the Chiefs are hovering around 50% in conversion percentage in these short yardage situations. The Chiefs are 2nd in the NFL at 48.7% in all 3rd down scenarios which makes it seem bizarre that Mahomes & company are not converting 3rd/4th and short with more regularity.

So I turn to the prolific armchair offensive coordinators of Chiefsplanet to answer these questions:

1. Why do you think the Chiefs struggle in these situations?
2. Any adjustments you would make vs Philly in the Superbowl?
3. Gun to your head, 4th & 1 in the Superbowl, what are you dialing up?
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Old 11-07-2023, 09:02 PM   #61
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Andy doesn't field a FB any longer so we need to go to the "Belldozer" every now and then.
Nobody SHOULD field a FB; hell, Khalen Saunders has been playing the role as a DT.
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Old 11-07-2023, 09:16 PM   #62
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It’s possible Andy is calling certain plays in certain situations to set up defenses in the postseason to go against an established trend/tendency.
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Old 11-07-2023, 09:18 PM   #63
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Isiah Pacheco is 5 for 7 in 3rd/4th and 2 or less. He's only attempted that scenario in 4 games. McKinnon is 3/4.
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Old 11-07-2023, 09:42 PM   #64
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I think the offensive scheme by default hurts the run game.

95% of the offense is ran from a shotgun/RPO scheme.

Andy Reid is NOTORIOUS for abandoning the run game. Sorry folks he's never going to change. Hard for any RB to get into any good kind of rhythm. Even when Andy's backs are avg well over 4-5yds/carry he just ignores the run game for entire quarters even. Insane.

When it's time to get a few yards and line up behind center, everyone and their mom knows whats coming, imo thats why they have to get cute and run these maddening infuriating east west plays.

Gary Pinkel did the same thing at MU.

It's a college scheme.

Chiefs supposedly have the NFL's best interior OL, or top 3 at worse. Why they have these troubles just makes me wanna pull my hair out.

For those who say "They're in 1st and 7-2 at the bye and you're bitching?"

Well....You gotta be able to run the ball and play defense in Jan. Thank god the defense is doing more than enough on their part.
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Old 11-07-2023, 10:01 PM   #65
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Isiah Pacheco is 5 for 7 in 3rd/4th and 2 or less. He's only attempted that scenario in 4 games. McKinnon is 3/4.
Chiefs are second highest in the league with a 63.3% conversion rate when rushing on 3rd and short (3yards or less in that analysis). This is arguably the best interior o-line on the NFL. Pacheco is not afraid of contact and smart/agile enough to pop out of the pile if it is too clogged up. There is no need for rugby scrum or anything fancy. If Reid/Nagy really want to pass on 3rd and short, it should at least be off play action.
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Old 11-08-2023, 07:29 AM   #66
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It’s possible Andy is calling certain plays in certain situations to set up defenses in the postseason to go against an established trend/tendency.
This.
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Old 11-08-2023, 09:16 AM   #67
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It’s possible Andy is calling certain plays in certain situations to set up defenses in the postseason to go against an established trend/tendency.
I’ve always thought this. Great point.
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Old 11-08-2023, 09:20 AM   #68
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C'mon guys. Andy isn't tanking 3rd and 1s just so he can unleash a run play in the post season .
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Old 11-08-2023, 09:23 AM   #69
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I think the offensive scheme by default hurts the run game.

95% of the offense is ran from a shotgun/RPO scheme.

Andy Reid is NOTORIOUS for abandoning the run game. Sorry folks he's never going to change. Hard for any RB to get into any good kind of rhythm. Even when Andy's backs are avg well over 4-5yds/carry he just ignores the run game for entire quarters even. Insane.

When it's time to get a few yards and line up behind center, everyone and their mom knows whats coming, imo thats why they have to get cute and run these maddening infuriating east west plays.

Gary Pinkel did the same thing at MU.

It's a college scheme.

Chiefs supposedly have the NFL's best interior OL, or top 3 at worse. Why they have these troubles just makes me wanna pull my hair out.

For those who say "They're in 1st and 7-2 at the bye and you're bitching?"

Well....You gotta be able to run the ball and play defense in Jan. Thank god the defense is doing more than enough on their part.
Well.... he's also won two SBs and been to several more championship games and is the 4th winningest coach in NFL history.

Notorious and insane doesn't really fit when it works. I'd prefer he doesn't listen to critics and take football back 30 years with dumbass concepts like "establish the run" and "run the ball and play defense".
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Chiefs fans always seem to want their Martyball pacifier when something goes wrong.

We are going to do what we do and we will live and die with Andy's offense.

One would think that with what Andy and his offense have achieved here people would be fine with that.
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Chiefs fans always seem to want their Martyball pacifier when something goes wrong.

We are going to do what we do and we will live and die with Andy's offense.

One would think that with what Andy and his offense have achieved here people would be fine with that.
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Chiefs fans always seem to want their Martyball pacifier when something goes wrong.

We are going to do what we do and we will live and die with Andy's offense.

One would think that with what Andy and his offense have achieved here people would be fine with that.
I just want “hope and noise” in the playoffs. Reminds me of the good ol days.
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Chiefs fans always seem to want their Martyball pacifier when something goes wrong.

We are going to do what we do and we will live and die with Andy's offense.

One would think that with what Andy and his offense have achieved here people would be fine with that.
Saying we should do something that has a 75+% percent of working instead of what we've been doing which has us ranked as one of the worst teams in the league in that aspect is Marty ball? Ok....
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C'mon guys. Andy isn't tanking 3rd and 1s just so he can unleash a run play in the post season .
I'll laugh my ass off if we finally do the QB sneak on a 3rd and short in the Super Bowl.
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