Chiefs [Florio speculates about] Raiders and Ben Johnson as HC - Page 6

SHOWTIME · 05:15 PM

AFC West has to be the division with the best coaches, right? Andy, Harbaugh, Payton, and now potentially a gifted player caller in Ben Johnson...

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There’s currently no other destination that fits. Johnson has interviewed with the Raiders, Bears, Jaguars, and Patriots. The alignment he wants doesn’t exist in Jacksonville, and likely isn’t in play with the Bears. Unless the Cowboys (who blew their window to interview Johnson at any time before the Lions’ season ends because they didn’t interview him via Zoom last week) make a late run, it’s the Raiders or the status quo for Johnson.

More and more people in league circles believe it will be the Raiders.

For the past six days, talk has been intensifying that the Raiders will hire Ben Johnson. At this point, it's looking like Vegas or the status quo for the Lions offensive coordinator. https://t.co/RBrAAyH38Q
— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) January 15, 2025

Titty Meat · 01-16-2025, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Oh god he's one those "my system will make anyone good!" Coaches.

Which means when his team blows because he can't get Aiden O'Connell to be Jared Goff and no point in his brain will it dawn on him that Goff is surrounded by a bunch of very high draft picks. It's all the system baby.

Yeah I hope they get him. Great OC but has never been a HC and thinks he can make any QB work in his system is a recipe for failure. I hope they get him I love when that fan base gets pumped only to be crushed. I remember they thought they were something when they traded for Adams

staylor26 · 01-16-2025, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

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Umm the entire point relies on the assumption that he's going there and it's because of Brady's influence...

tredadda · 01-16-2025, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

maybe the biggest mistake of his life...

Until he goes to LV and then that will be the biggest mistake. They don’t have a lot of talent at the moment and they will be competing against one of the greatest HCs ever along with two really good ones. That’s gonna be a huge hill to climb and I am genuinely curious about how long he would get to make it work.

tredadda · 01-16-2025, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

Interesting stuff from Schefter here....makes me think that Johnson is not as smart as we think. The guy wanted Sam Howell over Jayden....

https://www.raidersbeat.com/schefter...of-2024-draft/

I am by no means defending Johnson here, but to think that Jayden would be this good this quickly is probably a product of hindsight.

jdubya · 01-16-2025, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

You conveniently left out the fact they don't have a QB and don't really have a good path to get one.

But hey Sam Howell could probably be available.

I didn’t feel I needed to state the obvious, sorry

The owner

Lack of QB

Coaching

Have been the constant weakness of the Raiders for over 20 years now

St. Patty's Fire · 01-16-2025, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jdubya

I didn’t feel I needed to state the obvious, sorry

The owner

Lack of QB

Coaching

Have been the constant weakness of the Raiders for over 20 years now

very curious to see what impact brady has on the raiders if he's gonna be involved like he's been recently

i mean if he can help them get ben johnson i'd say that's a good sign for what brady can do

Sassy Squatch · 01-16-2025, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

Interesting stuff from Schefter here....makes me think that Johnson is not as smart as we think. The guy wanted Sam Howell over Jayden....

https://www.raidersbeat.com/schefter...of-2024-draft/

Oh God. If that's actually true you cannot give him control of personnel.

St. Patty's Fire · 01-16-2025, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

Interesting stuff from Schefter here....makes me think that Johnson is not as smart as we think. The guy wanted Sam Howell over Jayden....

https://www.raidersbeat.com/schefter...of-2024-draft/

if this is true actual yikes

RunKC · 01-16-2025, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Umm the entire point relies on the assumption that he's going there and it's because of Brady's influence...

No it’s that he didn’t even consider LV until Brady talked to his agent and fired Telesco. Brady’s influence is getting him in the door and possibly hired. A huge step up from where they were.

I do agree the guy is gonna have a rough go of it if he takes the job

FloridaMan88 · 01-16-2025, 12:54 PM

Remembering how Ben Johnson dicked around Washington last year… and it turns out he may have missed out on a great available HC opportunity… coaching Jayden Daniels, a historic franchise coming back to life under new ownership, etc.

It would be fitting if Washington knocks him out of the playoffs this weekend.

Ben Johnson's agent shared his plans to stay in Detroit by texting Washington officials while the Commanders’ group was on a flight to Michigan.

League sources shared one unified sentiment: The Commanders got screwed, write @BenStandig and @DMRussini.https://t.co/UVNwAYAyFA pic.twitter.com/I30oolPaRY
— The Athletic (@TheAthletic) February 5, 2024

htismaqe · 01-16-2025, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by FloridaMan88

Remembering how Ben Johnson dicked around Washington last year… and it turns out he may have missed out on a great available HC opportunity… coaching Jayden Daniels, a historic franchise coming back to life under new ownership, etc.

It would be fitting if Washington knocks him out of the playoffs this weekend.

Ben Johnson's agent shared his plans to stay in Detroit by texting Washington officials while the Commanders’ group was on a flight to Michigan.

League sources shared one unified sentiment: The Commanders got screwed, write @BenStandig and @DMRussini.https://t.co/UVNwAYAyFA pic.twitter.com/I30oolPaRY
— The Athletic (@TheAthletic) February 5, 2024

I would bet a large amount of money that several teams don't want to deal with him after last year. The Raiders may be one of his only chances.

kccrow · 01-16-2025, 02:46 PM

So we're judging this guys credibility as a coach for 1) not wanting Jayden Daniels (a lot of people thought he might be a bit of a 1-year wonder and that he was too thin) and 2) wanting a say in personnel decisions (of which Andy Reid has some input here so...)?

I'm not buying into the bullshit. He has options outside of LV and he doesn't have to take a one of them this year either.

**RealSNR** · 01-16-2025, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

So we're judging this guys credibility as a coach for 1) not wanting Jayden Daniels (a lot of people thought he might be a bit of a 1-year wonder and that he was too thin) and 2) wanting a say in personnel decisions (of which Andy Reid has some input here so...)?

I'm not buying into the bullshit. He has options outside of LV and he doesn't have to take a one of them this year either.

I’m not predicting his failure, but he still hasn’t proven that he’ll be anything more than a Mike Martz clone.

Hell, we don’t know if he’s anything more than an Adam Gase clone.

The resume is a starting point and nothing more. And if the guy is making demands and turning down offers from multiple teams, that’s acting awfully big for his britches. He would be wise to remember that he’s nothing until he proves himself

St. Patty's Fire · 01-16-2025, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

I’m not predicting his failure, but he still hasn’t proven that he’ll be anything more than a Mike Martz clone.

Hell, we don’t know if he’s anything more than an Adam Gase clone.

The resume is a starting point and nothing more. And if the guy is making demands and turning down offers from multiple teams, that’s acting awfully big for his britches. He would be wise to remember that he’s nothing until he proves himself

eh, adam gase got jobs cuz he was butt buddies with peyton. johnson turned a guy who was meh into a key cog of a well oiled machine. he has more actual cred than Gase IMO

the daniels thing is really bad though. not only that but it implies he’d essentially be choosing howell over not just daniels, but penix, nix, and maye. 3 guys all clearly better than sam howell immediately. but idk what to believe rn, i imagine theres some gamesmanship to some of this shit coming out rn

htismaqe · 01-16-2025, 03:47 PM

Goff isn't much better in Detroit than he was in LA. In fact two of his top 3 scoring season were as a Ram. I don't think Johnson did THAT much.

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FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $-587094	Remembering how Ben Johnson dicked around Washington last year… and it turns out he may have missed out on a great available HC opportunity… coaching Jayden Daniels, a historic franchise coming back to life under new ownership, etc. It would be fitting if Washington knocks him out of the playoffs this weekend. Ben Johnson's agent shared his plans to stay in Detroit by texting Washington officials while the Commanders’ group was on a flight to Michigan. League sources shared one unified sentiment: The Commanders got screwed, write @BenStandig and @DMRussini.https://t.co/UVNwAYAyFA pic.twitter.com/I30oolPaRY — The Athletic (@TheAthletic) February 5, 2024
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kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1130000	So we're judging this guys credibility as a coach for 1) not wanting Jayden Daniels (a lot of people thought he might be a bit of a 1-year wonder and that he was too thin) and 2) wanting a say in personnel decisions (of which Andy Reid has some input here so...)? I'm not buying into the bullshit. He has options outside of LV and he doesn't have to take a one of them this year either.
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htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8179900	Goff isn't much better in Detroit than he was in LA. In fact two of his top 3 scoring season were as a Ram. I don't think Johnson did THAT much.
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