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**CosmicPal** · 10-20-2004, 07:52 AM

We should permit this idea in the States. I feel all movie theaters, churches, schools, and any place of business that wishes to discourage the use of cellphones ought to install one of these jammers to freeze any cellphone calls from being made or accepted.

I can almost find a daily occurrence where I want to crush someone and their cell phone for being so ignorant and rude in a public domain. I’ve also had more than a few asshats check their cell phones during the course of a movie, prompting me to kick one gal intentionally in the shin on my way out of the aisle, and telling another gal if she were to open her cell phone one more time- I was going to break the damn thing.

http://www.comcast.net/News/TECHNOLO...d77585581.html

Churches Installing Cell Phone Jammers

Tue Oct 19, 10:04 AM

By OLGA R. RODRIGUEZ, Associated Press Writer

MONTERREY, Mexico - It was the reporters who noticed first. Unable to call their editors while covering the weddings of the rich and famous, they asked the priest why their cell phones never worked at Sacred Heart. His reply: Israeli counterintelligence.

In four Monterrey churches, Israeli-made cell phone jammers the size of paperbacks have been tucked unobtrusively among paintings of the Madonna and statues of the saints.

The jarring polychromatic din of ringing cell phones is increasingly being thwarted _ from religious sanctuaries to India's parliament to Tokyo theaters and commuter trains _ by devices originally developed to help security forces avert eavesdropping and thwart phone-triggered bombings.

The Indian parliament had jammers installed after politicians ignored requests to turn off their cell phones and legislative sessions were constantly interrupted.

In Italy, universities started using the blockers after discovering that cell phone-savvy teenagers were cheating on exams by sending text messages or taking pictures of tests.

The four Roman Catholic Churches in this northern city began using the devices, from Tel Aviv-based Netline Communications Technologies Ltd., after an insurance salesman imported them as a personal favor for a priest.

"There are still many people who don't understand that being at Mass is sharing a moment with God," said the Rev. Juan Jose Martinez, a spokesman for archdiocese. "Sadly, we had no other choice but to use these little gadgets."

Purchased for about $2,000 each, they can be turned on by remote control and emit low-level radio frequencies that thwart cell phone signals within a 100-foot radius.

Users get a "no service" or "signal not available" message on their cell phones.

Although Mexico has no law against the devices, the private use of cell phone blockers is illegal in the United States and most Western countries.

But the tide is turning.

Japan allows public places such as theaters and concert halls to install jammers, provided they obtain a government-issued license. And last week, France's industry minister approved a decision to let cinemas, concert halls and theaters install them _ as long as provisions are in place so emergency calls can still be made.

Canada had considered allowing blocking in similar situations. But Industry Canada, which regulates the country's telecommunications, decided against it, saying the devices could infringe on personal freedom and affect public safety by crippling communication with law enforcement and security agencies.

Officials at Netline, which sold its first jammer in 1998, say they are selling thousands of jammers a year and have expanded their business throughout the world.

They're far from the only manufacturers. The devices are sold the world over, with dozens of suppliers selling them on the Internet.

Tokyo-based Medic Inc. sold thousands of its Wave Wall jammers before the government stepped in and regulated their use to venues with live performances. Commuters still buy mobile jammers to shut up chatty train passengers, even though their use is illegal.

In Scotland, businessman Ronnie McGuire, owner of Electron Electrical Engineering Services, imported Taiwan-made cell phone blockers and sold them to hotels, restaurants and bars until a local newspaper reported his activities, which were illegal in Britain.

McGuire has said he will still import the Taiwanese devices but sell them for export only to countries where they are allowed.

Loreen Haim, the director of marketing and sales for Netline, wouldn't say how many devices the company sells per year or what country buys the most.

In Mexico, the main clients have been banks looking to stop would-be robbers from communicating with their accomplices and the Mexican government, which is planning to use them at prisons, Haim said.

In Monterrey, the Sacred Heart church, a baroque temple favored by Mexico's elite for weddings, church officials acquired their blockers two years ago.

"Whenever there was a wedding, cell phones would ring every five minutes," said Bulmaro Carranza, a parish clerk. "It was a real problem because there were times when even the groom would forget to turn his cell phone off."

For months, the devices went unnoticed until reporters covering the weddings began complaining that their cell phones never worked.

Since word of the jammers went public, priests from around Mexico have been calling to find out how to get them, said Carranza.

At Sacred Heart, a device at the entrance to the church and another by the altar are turned on right before every Mass. Still, priests remind parishioners to turn off their phones before beginning the services, hoping good cell phone etiquette will eventually catch on.

The other Monterrey churches with the devices _ The Rosario, San Juan Bosco and Our Lady Queen of the Angels _ are also frequented by wealthier parishioners, Martinez said.

"For a lot of them, the cell phone is a necessity. But that shouldn't prevent them from having good manners and remembering that one must respect sacred places," Martinez said.

Margarita Escobedo, a Catholic who goes to church at least twice a week and volunteers at the San Genaro church, says she would welcome the jammers in her parish, where cell phones are becoming a nuisance.

"Those who bring cell phones to church are not committed to God," Escobedo said. "It's very distracting to be praying and suddenly hear birds chirping or techno music."

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**Lzen** · 10-20-2004, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

hehe..It would be nice if there was some sort of comprimise. Maybe ushers that would give a damn. If your cell phone goes off, you get kicked out, zero tolerance. I like that idea better. Let the considerate people who put their cell phones on silent still receive calls/messages.

That isn't a bad idea. While they're at it, they can kindly remove parents with noisy children (if it's not a kids flick). Maybe not necessarily remove them from the premesis but remove them from the theater.

**Saulbadguy** · 10-20-2004, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

That isn't a bad idea. While they're at it, they can kindly remove parents with noisy children (if it's not a kids flick). Maybe not necessarily remove them from the premesis but remove them from the theater.

Kindly?

Otter · 10-20-2004, 09:47 AM

Count me in on the "install the jammers" crowd. Too many stupid/ignorant people to give everyone the benefit of the doubt when it comes to using cell phones with etiquette.

While were at it, install them in cars.

If your wife is about to go into labor why are you at the theatre?

If you think you need to be in contact 24/7, get over yourself. Any one of us can get run over by a bus and life will go on for everyone else.

**Lzen** · 10-20-2004, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Kindly?

You know, ushers say something like "excuse me but I'm going to have to ask you to step out of the theater and turn off your phone before re-entering". No need to alienate your customers. Sooner or later, people will understand that it's unnacceptable behavior and most will change their ways, IMO.

**CosmicPal** · 10-20-2004, 09:52 AM

I recall a couple of years ago, I went on a date with this gal I met at a bar a few nights before. Since the very moment I picked her up at her place- she would take and make phone calls, one right after the other. We maybe said but two words to each other the entire time I was driving to the restaurant.

Anyways, so we get to the restaurant, and I’m thinking to myself- “Good…now, maybe we can start talking to each other since she ought to put the damn phone away in a restaurant.”

Not.

She took a phone call as soon as we sat down. After that, excused herself to make another one, and blah, blah, blah.

By that time- I had had it. I ordered a drink for myself and contemplated my next move. I then turned to my date and told her I’d be going to the restroom. Of course, she just nodded as she continued to hammer the phone.

Well, I went straight up to our waitress and gave her $40 and told her that I was leaving for the evening.

“What ‘bout your girlfriend?”

“She’s my date and she’s been on that damn phone ever since I picked her up. So, I’m leaving. Here’s forty for the dinner I actually ordered, but I’m not going to eat. Give my date ten dollars for a cab ride home or you may pocket it yourself. I don’t care. The rest is your tip.”

She laughed and said she understood.

I got into my car, drove over to a friend’s house and drank the rest of the night. I never did hear back from my date. And I sure the hell never called her.

**CosmicPal** · 10-20-2004, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Otter

Any one of us can get run over by a bus and life will go on for everyone else.

What? Otter, man if you were run over by a bus I'd be profoundly devastated. My life would come to a complete halt and I would never be able to post on the Planet again....

**Skip Towne** · 10-20-2004, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260

CosmicPal is working on becoming a grumpy old curmudgeon. It's a hard transition for hippy potsmoker Phish fan.

But, he's mastered one key component: become irrationally upset about some trivial component of everyday life.

Aha! I see you're one of them.

**CosmicPal** · 10-20-2004, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260

CosmicPal is working on becoming a grumpy old curmudgeon. It's a hard transition for hippy potsmoker Phish fan.

But, he's mastered one key component: become irrationally upset about some trivial component of everyday life.

I think I am a grumpy old hippie now...dammit.

Dude, I'm just tired of ignorant saps who feel the world revolves around their tiny little souls and the rest of us have to just "deal with it."

BS- if you illuminate the space around me with your constant cell phone use in a theater- expect me to break the thing at your feet.

LamarR Huunt · 10-20-2004, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260

Why say that? It's not anywhere close to accurate.

Let's say that pigs fly. The shit falling on my head is really going to bother me.

That's because you hang with nerds; popular people get two or three calls an hour.

Otter · 10-20-2004, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by CosmicPal

What? Otter, man if you were run over by a bus I'd be profoundly devastated. My life would come to a complete halt and I would never be able to post on the Planet again....

No, no...I insist that you continue to pursue a happy life with the planet being a part of it.

Actually, once again I didn't convey out my statement as well as I should have.

I'm not referring to people who are on call for work that actually need a phone but the people who think they need to be accessable to everyone in their social circle.

Either way, cell phones are still going to be abused. A minor annoyance when it happens ever once in awhile, unfortunatly its the norm for any public area today. It's not a minor annoyance, it's a royal pain in the ass.

ROYC75 · 10-20-2004, 10:17 AM

I took the wife to a movie 3 months ago, 1st time in 10 years or close to it.

I didn't think about turning my phone off.... sure enough, the phone rang about 1/2 way into the movie.

Funny, I had this feeling people were looking at me ?

What's up with that ?

I answered it, it was one on our kids, I quickly told them I would call them back if it wasn't an emergency and turned the phone off. The more I tought about it, we had it on for an emergency call only, the kids lets us down.

Many people want there phones on for emergency purposes.

Too many times people call to chit chat.... they should be considerate of others and only call if in an emergency. At least take into the fact of where one is and what they are doing before they call.

teedubya · 10-20-2004, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

Nope...as long as it's not the govt using jammers, this has no impact on consitutional freedoms.

The constitution doesnt protect you on private property or in a business establishment or church.

This is the point I was making, but left out a sentence... I think they definately need to post information in plain view that there is a jammer being utilized on the premises...

LamarR Huunt · 10-20-2004, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ali Chi3fs

This is the point I was making, but left out a sentence... I think they definately need to post information in plain view that there is a jammer being utilized on the premises...

I'd go for a sign that simply said, "Please be courteous to other patrons." That should cover it.

**Bowser** · 10-20-2004, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by LamarR Huunt

I'd go for a sign that simply said, "Please be courteous to other patrons." That should cover it.

Nah, too many A-Holes in the world who don't care/can't read.

LamarR Huunt · 10-20-2004, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Nah, too many A-Holes in the world who don't care/can't read.

Yeah, you are right. Da'd gum it.

10-20-2004, 07:52 AM
CosmicPal Learn it. Know it. Live it. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Casino cash: $10004900	Freedom!!! We should permit this idea in the States. I feel all movie theaters, churches, schools, and any place of business that wishes to discourage the use of cellphones ought to install one of these jammers to freeze any cellphone calls from being made or accepted. I can almost find a daily occurrence where I want to crush someone and their cell phone for being so ignorant and rude in a public domain. I’ve also had more than a few asshats check their cell phones during the course of a movie, prompting me to kick one gal intentionally in the shin on my way out of the aisle, and telling another gal if she were to open her cell phone one more time- I was going to break the damn thing. http://www.comcast.net/News/TECHNOLO...d77585581.html Churches Installing Cell Phone Jammers Tue Oct 19, 10:04 AM By OLGA R. RODRIGUEZ, Associated Press Writer MONTERREY, Mexico - It was the reporters who noticed first. Unable to call their editors while covering the weddings of the rich and famous, they asked the priest why their cell phones never worked at Sacred Heart. His reply: Israeli counterintelligence. In four Monterrey churches, Israeli-made cell phone jammers the size of paperbacks have been tucked unobtrusively among paintings of the Madonna and statues of the saints. The jarring polychromatic din of ringing cell phones is increasingly being thwarted _ from religious sanctuaries to India's parliament to Tokyo theaters and commuter trains _ by devices originally developed to help security forces avert eavesdropping and thwart phone-triggered bombings. The Indian parliament had jammers installed after politicians ignored requests to turn off their cell phones and legislative sessions were constantly interrupted. In Italy, universities started using the blockers after discovering that cell phone-savvy teenagers were cheating on exams by sending text messages or taking pictures of tests. The four Roman Catholic Churches in this northern city began using the devices, from Tel Aviv-based Netline Communications Technologies Ltd., after an insurance salesman imported them as a personal favor for a priest. "There are still many people who don't understand that being at Mass is sharing a moment with God," said the Rev. Juan Jose Martinez, a spokesman for archdiocese. "Sadly, we had no other choice but to use these little gadgets." Purchased for about $2,000 each, they can be turned on by remote control and emit low-level radio frequencies that thwart cell phone signals within a 100-foot radius. Users get a "no service" or "signal not available" message on their cell phones. Although Mexico has no law against the devices, the private use of cell phone blockers is illegal in the United States and most Western countries. But the tide is turning. Japan allows public places such as theaters and concert halls to install jammers, provided they obtain a government-issued license. And last week, France's industry minister approved a decision to let cinemas, concert halls and theaters install them _ as long as provisions are in place so emergency calls can still be made. Canada had considered allowing blocking in similar situations. But Industry Canada, which regulates the country's telecommunications, decided against it, saying the devices could infringe on personal freedom and affect public safety by crippling communication with law enforcement and security agencies. Officials at Netline, which sold its first jammer in 1998, say they are selling thousands of jammers a year and have expanded their business throughout the world. They're far from the only manufacturers. The devices are sold the world over, with dozens of suppliers selling them on the Internet. Tokyo-based Medic Inc. sold thousands of its Wave Wall jammers before the government stepped in and regulated their use to venues with live performances. Commuters still buy mobile jammers to shut up chatty train passengers, even though their use is illegal. In Scotland, businessman Ronnie McGuire, owner of Electron Electrical Engineering Services, imported Taiwan-made cell phone blockers and sold them to hotels, restaurants and bars until a local newspaper reported his activities, which were illegal in Britain. McGuire has said he will still import the Taiwanese devices but sell them for export only to countries where they are allowed. Loreen Haim, the director of marketing and sales for Netline, wouldn't say how many devices the company sells per year or what country buys the most. In Mexico, the main clients have been banks looking to stop would-be robbers from communicating with their accomplices and the Mexican government, which is planning to use them at prisons, Haim said. In Monterrey, the Sacred Heart church, a baroque temple favored by Mexico's elite for weddings, church officials acquired their blockers two years ago. "Whenever there was a wedding, cell phones would ring every five minutes," said Bulmaro Carranza, a parish clerk. "It was a real problem because there were times when even the groom would forget to turn his cell phone off." For months, the devices went unnoticed until reporters covering the weddings began complaining that their cell phones never worked. Since word of the jammers went public, priests from around Mexico have been calling to find out how to get them, said Carranza. At Sacred Heart, a device at the entrance to the church and another by the altar are turned on right before every Mass. Still, priests remind parishioners to turn off their phones before beginning the services, hoping good cell phone etiquette will eventually catch on. The other Monterrey churches with the devices _ The Rosario, San Juan Bosco and Our Lady Queen of the Angels _ are also frequented by wealthier parishioners, Martinez said. "For a lot of them, the cell phone is a necessity. But that shouldn't prevent them from having good manners and remembering that one must respect sacred places," Martinez said. Margarita Escobedo, a Catholic who goes to church at least twice a week and volunteers at the San Genaro church, says she would welcome the jammers in her parish, where cell phones are becoming a nuisance. "Those who bring cell phones to church are not committed to God," Escobedo said. "It's very distracting to be praying and suddenly hear birds chirping or techno music." ___
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10-20-2004, 09:52 AM	#80
CosmicPal Learn it. Know it. Live it. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Casino cash: $10004900	I recall a couple of years ago, I went on a date with this gal I met at a bar a few nights before. Since the very moment I picked her up at her place- she would take and make phone calls, one right after the other. We maybe said but two words to each other the entire time I was driving to the restaurant. Anyways, so we get to the restaurant, and I’m thinking to myself- “Good…now, maybe we can start talking to each other since she ought to put the damn phone away in a restaurant.” Not. She took a phone call as soon as we sat down. After that, excused herself to make another one, and blah, blah, blah. By that time- I had had it. I ordered a drink for myself and contemplated my next move. I then turned to my date and told her I’d be going to the restroom. Of course, she just nodded as she continued to hammer the phone. Well, I went straight up to our waitress and gave her $40 and told her that I was leaving for the evening. “What ‘bout your girlfriend?” “She’s my date and she’s been on that damn phone ever since I picked her up. So, I’m leaving. Here’s forty for the dinner I actually ordered, but I’m not going to eat. Give my date ten dollars for a cab ride home or you may pocket it yourself. I don’t care. The rest is your tip.” She laughed and said she understood. I got into my car, drove over to a friend’s house and drank the rest of the night. I never did hear back from my date. And I sure the hell never called her. __________________ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - Four blessings upon my fellow planeteers: Older whiskey, younger women, faster horses, and more money.
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ROYC75 Time For Your Wake Up Call !!! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Barn Yard Casino cash: $2130400	I took the wife to a movie 3 months ago, 1st time in 10 years or close to it. I didn't think about turning my phone off.... sure enough, the phone rang about 1/2 way into the movie. Funny, I had this feeling people were looking at me ? What's up with that ? I answered it, it was one on our kids, I quickly told them I would call them back if it wasn't an emergency and turned the phone off. The more I tought about it, we had it on for an emergency call only, the kids lets us down. Many people want there phones on for emergency purposes. Too many times people call to chit chat.... they should be considerate of others and only call if in an emergency. At least take into the fact of where one is and what they are doing before they call. __________________ Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it. John Lennon
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