I want our next HC to be the DC from the Pats - Page 5

Red Dawg · 11-17-2004, 08:45 AM

that guy must be a miracle worker. They've had a ton of injuroes and still field a great defense. That's who I want after DV.

Amnorix · 11-17-2004, 10:44 AM

Another example -- during halftime of one game (I think it was the season opener against Indy), they showed highlights of a whole bunch of training camps all around the NFL. They had Mike Martz, Coughlin, Gruden (and Monte Kiffin), Mike Tice and Bill Belichick, from the ones I can remember.

The one with Belichick had him surrounded by all these behemoth offensive linemen (a funny contrast to see the Master with the young gargantuan Padawans, by the way), all wearing pads and helmets, and he said the following (exact quote from memory, as I thought this was insightful of his system and approach):

"I can't put you on the field if you don't CONSISTENTLY know what the hell you're doing. Penalties, first and 15, first and 20, we just can't operate that way".

KCTitus · 11-17-2004, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

KC is just the opposite. Post good combine numbers, you're in. Have a great game when a scout or coach is in the stands, you're in (doesn't matter if you've been crap the rest of your collegiate career).

I like to see proof of this...

HC_Chief · 11-17-2004, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

I like to see proof of this...

Check the roster.

LJ = one-year wonder.

Siavii had huge combine numbers... we took him higher than anyone expected him to go.

Heck, there's our last two #1s right there

Brock · 11-17-2004, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

Check the roster.

LJ = one-year wonder.

Siavii had huge combine numbers... we took him higher than anyone expected him to go.

Heck, there's our last two #1s right there

And obviously, at least one of these guys has major character issues.

HC_Chief · 11-17-2004, 10:49 AM

IIRC Sylvester Morris and Snoop Minnis both played for Gun's team(s) in the N/S game. Both did pretty well in the game... both got drafted. (both flopped miserably)

KCTitus · 11-17-2004, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

Check the roster.

LJ = one-year wonder.

Siavii had huge combine numbers... we took him higher than anyone expected him to go.

Heck, there's our last two #1s right there

Post for me combine numbers that would indicate those players did better than all the other players in that position to prove your point.

KCTitus · 11-17-2004, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

IIRC Sylvester Morris and Snoop Minnis both played for Gun's team(s) in the N/S game. Both did pretty well in the game... both got drafted. (both flopped miserably)

Snoop was drafted when DV was coach.

HC_Chief · 11-17-2004, 10:54 AM

LJ was more of a "had a good year? Well let's draft him!!" than a workout warrior.

Siavii had the #2 bench press numbers IIRC.

KCTitus · 11-17-2004, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

LJ was more of a "had a good year? Well let's draft him!!" than a workout warrior.

Siavii had the #2 bench press numbers IIRC.

Both statements defeat your original assertion.

Thanks.

HC_Chief · 11-17-2004, 10:58 AM

No they don't, thanks (smartass).

Go back and read what I stated: have good workout numbers or a good game and you're in.

Siavii had good workout numbers: showed the greatest ability to bench-press weight (wow, that's been helpful this year huh?), and LJ had ONE great college season.... so we made both our #1 pick. NEITHER has done squat.

KCTitus · 11-17-2004, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

No they don't, thanks (smartass).

Go back and read what I stated: have good workout numbers or a good game and you're in.

Siavii had good workout numbers: showed the greatest ability to bench-press weight (wow, that's been helpful this year huh?), and LJ had ONE great college season.... so we made both our #1 pick. NEITHER has done squat.

You stated this as fact, Ive yet to see facts. Speculation, yes, but no facts.

Swanman · 11-17-2004, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Precisely. I remember BB saying in a press conference that his INTs and other performance measurements were WAY down because of a dramatic change in scheme from his junior ot his senior year.

It wasn't actually a change in scheme, the scheme was exactly the same but the defensive line completely turned over and the new one was horrible, thus got no pressure on the QB even when blitzing. During his junior year, the d-line/LBs got to the quarterback consistently so they could afford to have Eugene in press coverage but his senior year they never got to the QB so they had to have their two corners (Wilson and Christian Morton) play way off thus hurting the INT numbers. It was unbelievable that season, I don't think Illinois had an INT until the 10th or 11th game. The D-Coordinator (Mike Cassity) just refused to change his scheme to compensate for lack of playmakers in the D-line. He was fired and is now the D-Coordinator at Louisville and his D there isgiving up shitloads of points just like at Illinois.

HC_Chief · 11-17-2004, 11:07 AM

Do you want a definition of 'is' to go with that?

What *$&%ing else is there on a football BB than SPECULATION? Fact is Siavii had good numbers... we drafted him higher than pretty much anyone else thought he would go. LJ had ONE, UNO, a SINGLE good season, so we drafted him to be heir apparent to Priest Holmes. That's our last two #1 picks right there... both fit the mold of the 'speculation' I presented.

Swanman · 11-17-2004, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

Do you want a definition of 'is' to go with that?

What *$&%ing else is there on a football BB than SPECULATION? Fact is Siavii had good numbers... we drafted him higher than pretty much anyone else thought he would go. LJ had ONE, UNO, a SINGLE good season, so we drafted him to be heir apparent to Priest Holmes. That's our last two #1 picks right there... both fit the mold of the 'speculation' I presented.

With LJ, another point to add is that he racked up lots of yards against very shitty teams. He had one good game against Nebraska but was horrible in one of their important big 10 games, it was either against Michigan or Ohio State I can't remember. It's important to judge guys based on big games in their college careers in addition to season/career stats.

Amnorix · 11-17-2004, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Swanman

It wasn't actually a change in scheme, the scheme was exactly the same but the defensive line completely turned over and the new one was horrible, thus got no pressure on the QB even when blitzing. During his junior year, the d-line/LBs got to the quarterback consistently so they could afford to have Eugene in press coverage but his senior year they never got to the QB so they had to have their two corners (Wilson and Christian Morton) play way off thus hurting the INT numbers. It was unbelievable that season, I don't think Illinois had an INT until the 10th or 11th game. The D-Coordinator (Mike Cassity) just refused to change his scheme to compensate for lack of playmakers in the D-line. He was fired and is now the D-Coordinator at Louisville and his D there isgiving up shitloads of points just like at Illinois.

err...not to be an ass but if you go from telling your DBs to go from tight "press" coverage to playing off the receiver, that's a change in scheme...

But yes, I think we're agreed as to why Wilson's numbers dropped dramatically from his junior to his senior year.

11-17-2004, 08:45 AM
Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $4512858	I want our next HC to be the DC from the Pats that guy must be a miracle worker. They've had a ton of injuroes and still field a great defense. That's who I want after DV.
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11-17-2004, 10:44 AM	#61
Amnorix In BB I trust Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, Mass. Casino cash: $10029808	Another example -- during halftime of one game (I think it was the season opener against Indy), they showed highlights of a whole bunch of training camps all around the NFL. They had Mike Martz, Coughlin, Gruden (and Monte Kiffin), Mike Tice and Bill Belichick, from the ones I can remember. The one with Belichick had him surrounded by all these behemoth offensive linemen (a funny contrast to see the Master with the young gargantuan Padawans, by the way), all wearing pads and helmets, and he said the following (exact quote from memory, as I thought this was insightful of his system and approach): "I can't put you on the field if you don't CONSISTENTLY know what the hell you're doing. Penalties, first and 15, first and 20, we just can't operate that way". __________________ "I love signature blocks on the Internet. I get to put whatever the hell I want in quotes, pick a pretend author, and bang, it's like he really said it." George Washington
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11-17-2004, 10:49 AM	#65
HC_Chief That's just f***in' stupid Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: suburbia Casino cash: $3687107	IIRC Sylvester Morris and Snoop Minnis both played for Gun's team(s) in the N/S game. Both did pretty well in the game... both got drafted. (both flopped miserably) __________________ "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
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11-17-2004, 10:54 AM	#68
HC_Chief That's just f***in' stupid Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: suburbia Casino cash: $3687107	LJ was more of a "had a good year? Well let's draft him!!" than a workout warrior. Siavii had the #2 bench press numbers IIRC. __________________ "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
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11-17-2004, 10:58 AM	#70
HC_Chief That's just f***in' stupid Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: suburbia Casino cash: $3687107	No they don't, thanks (smartass). Go back and read what I stated: have good workout numbers or a good game and you're in. Siavii had good workout numbers: showed the greatest ability to bench-press weight (wow, that's been helpful this year huh?), and LJ had ONE great college season.... so we made both our #1 pick. NEITHER has done squat. __________________ "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
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11-17-2004, 11:07 AM	#73
HC_Chief That's just f***in' stupid Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: suburbia Casino cash: $3687107	Do you want a definition of 'is' to go with that? What *$&%ing else is there on a football BB than SPECULATION? Fact is Siavii had good numbers... we drafted him higher than pretty much anyone else thought he would go. LJ had ONE, UNO, a SINGLE good season, so we drafted him to be heir apparent to Priest Holmes. That's our last two #1 picks right there... both fit the mold of the 'speculation' I presented. __________________ "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
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