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Archie Bunker · 01:11 AM

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CHIEFS NOTEBOOK

Ravens receiver Johnson to visit

By ADAM TEICHER

The Kansas City Star

The Chiefs' meeting with Kevin Johnson, postponed from last month, was scheduled to begin with the free-agent wide receiver's arrival in Kansas City today.

Johnson represents the Chiefs' best chance to improve at wide receiver through free agency. They may also select a receiver in an early round of the draft later this month.

The Chiefs have long been interested in Johnson. They tried to trade for him when he was with Cleveland three years ago.

Johnson then was coming off a career-best season when he caught 84 passes for 1,097 yards and scored nine touchdowns. His numbers have since dropped, and he moved from the Browns to Jacksonville and Baltimore.

He had a career-low 35 catches last season, though even that led the passing-challenged Ravens.

“We're just taking a look right now,” Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said. “I'm just curious as to why he can't stay on a roster. He's been a productive player.”

The Chiefs would like to add at least one more player to their receiving mix. Starters Eddie Kennison and Johnnie Morton are over 30. Samie Parker played well toward the end of his rookie season, but the Chiefs aren't convinced he's ready to be a full-time player.

The other leading receiving candidates are Dante Hall, Chris Horn and Marc Boerigter, who is coming off a knee injury that cost him all of last season.

“You always want to try to upgrade everything you do, including the players you coach,” Vermeil said. “You can say we're comfortable with our wide receivers, but in this business you don't know which guy is going to get hurt or which guy is all of a sudden not going to be as good as he was because he's getting older.”

• PUNTER WORKS OUT: The Chiefs' search for training camp competition for punter Nick Murphy led them Tuesday to veteran Chris Mohr, who worked out at Arrowhead Stadium.

Mohr, 38, is a 15-year veteran with Tampa Bay, Buffalo and Atlanta. Mohr is known for his towering punts that are easy to cover. The Falcons last year allowed the fewest punt return yards in the NFL.

TRR · 04-06-2005, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

I'd rather have Horn as the 4th receiver.
Hall just isn't a very good receiver, except against Denver for some reason.

I would disagree. Anytime Hall touches the ball, he is a threat to go all th eway. Horn is just a possession WR in a fleet of possession WR's. Hall is a player, be it kick/punt return, or at the WR position, that D coordinators have to gameplan for.

We hopefully won't need to rely as heavily on Hall this season as we did the last, but Hall should be our 4th WR IMO.

jspchief · 04-06-2005, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TRR

I would disagree. Anytime Hall touches the ball, he is a threat to go all th eway. Horn is just a possession WR in a fleet of possession WR's. Hall is a player, be it kick/punt return, or at the WR position, that D coordinators have to gameplan for.

We hopefully won't need to rely as heavily on Hall this season as we did the last, but Hall should be our 4th WR IMO.

Probelm is, Hall can rarely get open unless it's a WR screen or some short hitch play. He's more of a gimmick than a NFL receiver. Let him do what he does best, and let the WRs play WR.

C-Mac · 04-06-2005, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

What, are we gonna carry 9 WR's on the roster?

Morton and Kennison as starters, for their production and knowledge of the offense.

KJ and Chris Horn for 3rd down, 3-receiver sets.

Parker and McIntyre for 1st down, play-action bombs.

Dante for punt and kick returns.

Bo and Hill as gunners on the coverage teams.

Morton should've been gone after his woeful playoff showing against Indy. Then he went on to skip training camp and take the last two games of the season off last year, sandwiched around all his mental mistakes during the middle of the season. He's a 12 year vet making these mistakes, and at a Pro Bowl salary no less. And in addition, he's been called out in public as being gay and a steroid user. Why waste anymore time on this guy?

Dante was not drafted as a WR, he was a RB\Return man, so he technically wouldnt be WR. He will be a good back up in case of injury and for specialty play use.
I think that Morton is going to be released even though it wouldnt matter either way to me. The rest must fight it out for their respective positions and contributions.

milkman · 04-06-2005, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Probelm is, Hall can rarely get open unless it's a WR screen or some short hitch play. He's more of a gimmick than a NFL receiver. Let him do what he does best, and let the WRs play WR.

Exactly.

On third down, I'd rather have a receiver that can get open beyond the first down marker out there rather than relying on the hope that Dante can break something on a reception in the wing, 5 yards short of the LOS.

milkman · 04-06-2005, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by C-Mac

Dante was not drafted as a WR, he was a RB\Return man, so he technically wouldnt be WR. He will be a good back up in case of injury and for specialty play use.
I think that Morton is going to be released even though it wouldnt matter either way to me. The rest must fight it out for their respective positions and contributions.

He wasn't drafted as a WR, but he was converted to WR, and was sent to Europe to get game experience a couple of seasons ago.

So, technically he would be, and is a WR.

jspchief · 04-06-2005, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

Exactly.

On third down, I'd rather have a receiver that can get open beyond the first down marker out there rather than relying on the hope that Dante can break something on a reception in the wing, 5 yards short of the LOS.

God. How many times did we see that play last year? 3rd and long, dump to Hall 3 yards deep and he gets slammed....

I'm tired of the Dante Hall WR experiment.

milkman · 04-06-2005, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

God. How many times did we see that play last year? 3rd and long, dump to Hall 3 yards deep and he gets slammed....

I'm tired of the Dante Hall WR experiment.

Amen to that brother.

After the first 10 or 15 times the Chiefs ran the play, I think the defenses figured it out.

King_Chief_Fan · 04-06-2005, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

He wasn't drafted as a WR, but he was converted to WR, and was sent to Europe to get game experience a couple of seasons ago.

So, technically he would be, and is a WR.

and a pizz poor one at that

milkman · 04-06-2005, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

and a pizz poor one at that

He'd be a superstar in a midget league!

C-Mac · 04-06-2005, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

He wasn't drafted as a WR, but he was converted to WR, and was sent to Europe to get game experience a couple of seasons ago.

So, technically he would be, and is a WR.

Yes I know, I only say this for those who would critisize the amount of recievers they might chose to keep.
For the most part, Dante is a bust as reciever.

matts22 · 04-06-2005, 12:47 PM

Back to the original topic...

I'm all for KJ coming for a visit. If he will come cheap, I'm definitely for signing him. He has a lot of talent and has had NO QB for most of if not all his career.

I don't see how you guys can compare him to Morton. Do you seriously think we would cut Morton and sign KJ to a similar salary? The only way KJ will be here next year is if he comes a lot cheaper. There is no reason to pay someone Morton-type money on a team that spreads the ball around like we do. AND ESPECIALLY don't pay someone with Morton-type talent that much money. Morton has to be gone, whether we get a new WR or not. It only gives us that much more money to improve the defense.

However, I honestly wish we had gone after David Terrell. He was a stud in college, went to a team with no QB, and people say "he's a bust". You guys just watch...he'll go to NE, and become a top 10 receiver. And they probably got him for dirt cheap. I do think KJ has good potential though if we can get him cheap. Stud college players that are labeled as busts when they don't have any good players around them is one of the keys to building a good-valued team.

As far as Dante and the rest of the receivers...Dante should be a returner and 4th or 5th WR. When he comes in to the game, he will have to be accounted for...but when he plays regularly, he gets tired and loses what makes him special. I would much rather see Horn, Parker, Bo, etc. for the most part and just let Hall on offense every once in awhile. JMO

TRR · 04-06-2005, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Probelm is, Hall can rarely get open unless it's a WR screen or some short hitch play. He's more of a gimmick than a NFL receiver. Let him do what he does best, and let the WRs play WR.

Hall is our 4th WR. What do you expect out of a #4 WR??? IMO, he might be the best 4th WR in the league. That's all #4 WR's do is short hitch plays and screens. Dante seemed to do a very nice job of keeping the chains moving last season, being thrust into the 3rd WR spot.

Kerberos · 04-06-2005, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

I think the point is that everyone - fans, coaches, players - is sick of Morton and his insanely stupid plays...in terms of production it is a lateral move, but:

Johnson is younger, cheaper, and not gay....(I'm still waiting for Morton's cyber boy friend to show up screaming)

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Johnson has 2 things going for him:

1. He's not Johhny Morton
1a. He's not gay like Johhny Morton
2. He's cheaper than a gay Johnny Morton

the dude has averaged about 60 catches a year, prior to last year....

I am waiting for LAZ to show up and give you a tongue lashing. I got an ass chewing and negative rep from LAZ for incinuating that Morton was gay?? WTF???

.

milkman · 04-06-2005, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

Hall is our 4th WR. What do you expect out of a #4 WR??? IMO, he might be the best 4th WR in the league. That's all #4 WR's do is short hitch plays and screens. Dante seemed to do a very nice job of keeping the chains moving last season, being thrust into the 3rd WR spot.

Your 4th WR is lining against their 4th CB, at best.
He needs to be able to get open down the field.

I can't recall seeing any team using that WR screen, or hitch pass with their 4th WR half as often as Dante.

The only reason he's used so much in that play is his compete and utter inability to get open any other way.

And it simply is not an effective play.
Teams are waiting for it.

Chiefs Pantalones · 04-06-2005, 01:44 PM

This would be a good pick up. Any WR would be better than Morton, and he's gone no matter what, it's just a matter of who replaces him.

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matts22 Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Casino cash: $10004900	Back to the original topic... I'm all for KJ coming for a visit. If he will come cheap, I'm definitely for signing him. He has a lot of talent and has had NO QB for most of if not all his career. I don't see how you guys can compare him to Morton. Do you seriously think we would cut Morton and sign KJ to a similar salary? The only way KJ will be here next year is if he comes a lot cheaper. There is no reason to pay someone Morton-type money on a team that spreads the ball around like we do. AND ESPECIALLY don't pay someone with Morton-type talent that much money. Morton has to be gone, whether we get a new WR or not. It only gives us that much more money to improve the defense. However, I honestly wish we had gone after David Terrell. He was a stud in college, went to a team with no QB, and people say "he's a bust". You guys just watch...he'll go to NE, and become a top 10 receiver. And they probably got him for dirt cheap. I do think KJ has good potential though if we can get him cheap. Stud college players that are labeled as busts when they don't have any good players around them is one of the keys to building a good-valued team. As far as Dante and the rest of the receivers...Dante should be a returner and 4th or 5th WR. When he comes in to the game, he will have to be accounted for...but when he plays regularly, he gets tired and loses what makes him special. I would much rather see Horn, Parker, Bo, etc. for the most part and just let Hall on offense every once in awhile. JMO
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