Fav old-school hard rock outfit

[ZepSinger]

To qualify, band must have been in existence by the late-70's(no 80's hair metal bands)...

[HC_Chief]

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

What about when DRI did "crossover" or Cro Mags did "best wishes"?

Heh, my wife dug one of my old DRI concert tees out of a dresser and wore it out shopping a few weeks ago.

DRI ranks as one of the best shows I have ever gone to. The Outhouse (Lawrence, KS) was PACKED. It was, by far, the biggest pit I had ever seen there. (Bad Brains would have taken that distinction if there were enough room for a pit. We were packed in like sardines. There wasn't even enough room to have a smoke.... if you put your arms up, they were staying up!)

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by HC_Chief

Nope.... strictly 70s Sabbath w/ Ozzy.

I liked Dio as well, but he was a bit theatrical. I gave him a nickname that always stuck with my friends: satanic midget
"You're the last in line! Ahhhhhhhhh, yeah!" lol



Was Motorhead around in the 70s? They're an 80s band for me. Heh, mmmmmmMoterhead rules with an iron fist!

My FAVORITE 70s "hard rock" band = Sex Pistols. Nevermind the Bollocks is brilliant. Along with Sabbath, they have to be the most influential bands of all time.

Zepplin is amazing, but they didn't spark new offshoots of R&R (metal & punk)

Yeah, Motorhead came out in 1976. They did 4 or 5 albums with Lemmy, Phil Taylor, and Fast Eddie Clarke. It's fast, kinda post-punk, the riffs are all pretty much straight rock hooks, just fast. But it's not the grind-it-out metal of their newer stuff. IMO, they abandoned the raw, amphetamine-induced sound for a more methodical, technique-oriented metal that everybody else in the early 80's was doing.

I really don't like their post-1980 stuff, because they basically replaced Eddie with 2 guitarists and went off into strictly metal.

[MOhillbilly]

Id like to know some of you guys thoughts.
If you could just name your choice for BEST rock and Roll LP of the 70s-80s-90s & 2000s how many would you classify other than rock n roll and why?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

Id like to know some of you guys thoughts.
If you could just name your choice for BEST rock and Roll LP of the 70s-80s-90s & 2000s how many would you classify other than rock n roll and why?

See I can't get into all the genre's and sub-genre's for one very good reason.

I'm too lazy to keep up!

I honestly don't think I could answer your question...

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

Id like to know some of you guys thoughts.
If you could just name your choice for BEST rock and Roll LP of the 70s-80s-90s & 2000s how many would you classify other than rock n roll and why?

"Best" is so hard to universally determine, so I'm just going to go with my favorite: David Bowie's "The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars." And that is classfied as rock and roll.

[MOhillbilly]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

See I can't get into all the genre's and sub-genre's for one very good reason.

I'm too lazy to keep up!

I honestly don't think I could answer your question...

thats kinda the point and when you start to put every little style of rock and roll in a "roll" you get elitist attitudes that destroy from the inside out.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

"Best" is so hard to universally determine, so I'm just going to go with my favorite: David Bowie's "The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars." And that is classfied as rock and roll.

That would be the album I would choose as well, if I was given the question "What is the most influential rock album?"

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

thats kinda the point and when you start to put every little style of rock and roll in a "roll" you get elitist attitudes that destroy from the inside out.

Most "subgenres" in rock aren't real subgenres, just words magazines like Rolling Stone use. Like Glam Rock, Garage Rock, Indie Rock and Nu-Metal.

However, the subgenre is a necessary thing, imo, when it comes to punk and metal. Think how different Jimmy Eat World and Agnostic Front are. Emo and Hardcore are very different sounds, but they share a common bond in that structurally they are from the same Punk lineage.

Same for metal. Death metal is definately metal, but such a different sound than more traditional metal bands like Priest.

[MOhillbilly]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Most "subgenres" in rock aren't real subgenres, just words magazines like Rolling Stone use. Like Glam Rock, Garage Rock, Indie Rock and Nu-Metal.

However, the subgenre is a necessary thing, imo, when it comes to punk and metal. Think how different Jimmy Eat World and Agnostic Front are. Emo and Hardcore are very different sounds, but they share a common bond in that structurally they are from the same Punk lineage.

Same for metal. Death metal is definately metal, but such a different sound than more traditional metal bands like Priest.

But then you get into things like " hardcore and punk and OI! are three diffrent subgenres". When they are all punk and they are all rock and roll.
You also get into where bands are influenced by words placed on them and start to lean towards what theyre told they should be and produce crap.

SEE-Agnostic Front,Suicidal Tendencies,GNR ect. ect.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

But then you get into things like " hardcore and punk and OI! are three diffrent subgenres". When they are all punk and they are all rock and roll.
You also get into where bands are influenced by words placed on them and start to lean towards what theyre told they should be and produce crap.

SEE-Agnostic Front,Suicidal Tendencies,GNR ect. ect.

Once again, I don't think I can disagree. I'm not knowledgable about punk to debate this. I will maintain the validity of subgenre in metal. Heavy metal, thrash metal, death metal and black metal at least. (Though I acknowledge the existantce of Power, Progressive, Melodic Death, and Doom metals as subgenres as well.)

[Reaper16]

And metal bands don't need to worry about media influencing them; almost the whole of the genre basically gets no coverage.

[MOhillbilly]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

And metal bands don't need to worry about media influencing them; almost the whole of the genre basically gets no coverage.

I would put metal in the same boat-its all metal and its all rock and roll.
Metal gets alot more press than hardcore punk.
I can only discuss metal up to the early 90s but IMO metalica is a perfect example everything after Justice blows imo and that had alot to do w/ Metalica being influenced from outside sources.(some would say everything after Cliff died sucked)

The point im trying to make is that when you put every band under your thumb it kills what made those bands org. in the first place.
Its human nature to do so but IMO it breeds alot of bullshit and bad music,because it gets away from what rock and roll is all about-

Thumbing your nose at everything.

To bad you live way up north,ive got about 600+ LPs and love to swap tunes.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

I would put metal in the same boat-its all metal and its all rock and roll.
Metal gets alot more press than hardcore punk.
I can only discuss metal up to the early 90s but IMO metalica is a perfect example everything after Justice blows imo and that had alot to do w/ Metalica being influenced from outside sources.(some would say everything after Cliff died sucked)

The point im trying to make is that when you put every band under your thumb it kills what made those bands org. in the first place.
Its human nature to do so but IMO it breeds alot of bullshit and bad music,because it gets away from what rock and roll is all about-

Thumbing your nose at everything.

To bad you live way up north,ive got about 600+ LPs and love to swap tunes.

I sort of share the opinion that everything after AJFA... is bad. I like a few songs off of Black Album, and I even like about half of Load. I support artists experimenting. I really think that Cliff dying damaged them so much. He was the guy behind what they were doing with their slightly progressive thrash metal in RtL and MoP, and certainly influenced AJFA greatly.

I don't really live in Maryville. I'm just here for college. I actually live in Excelsior Springs.

[MOhillbilly]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

I actually live in Excelsior Springs.

were you at the cinci kc game?

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

were you at the cinci kc game?

No, but a guy I know from high school named John (blond hair) was at the game.