Now with Surtain/Law as our CBs, here is the latest reason why we will suck... - Page 2

**RealSNR** · 07-24-2006, 12:47 AM

...according to Donk fans.

Apparently Law was the final piece to the puzzle and now that our D is that much better for this year, our offense will go down the shitter.

I especially love how they've been waiting for the oppurtune moment to play this card, which is when they really might need it. It's like a nerd game of magic or something and this is their last ditch effort card to play.

First LJ is unstoppable, but our defense will still suck. Now our defense will be decent but no amount of anger in LJ can overcome Shields, Roaf, and Green being old.

**morphius** · 07-24-2006, 07:07 AM

Basically it is going to come down to Roaf staying healthy. I believe we have enough decent, young WR along with Kennison and Gonzo to keep the Offense movine. But you take out Roaf and the passing O seems to fall apart.

**the Talking Can** · 07-24-2006, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by morphius

I'm not at all worried about the front seven...

...its the damn front four that scare me.

yup...we have some potential at DE, but our DTs a basically a laughing stock...

**morphius** · 07-24-2006, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

yup...we have some potential at DE, but our DTs a basically a laughing stock...

I'm hoping that the DL coach we got in the offseason can really whip these guys into shape, he does seem to have a pretty good history of getting guys to play well, at least I believe so.

Either way, I think Mitchel and DJ are pretty damn good, and we have some competition at the other spot.

Hound333 · 07-24-2006, 08:24 AM

If Roaf goes down we suck. We don't have anyone that can play the blind side well enough. We don't need to be a top 5 defense. We just need a number around 10 and keep our offense were it was. We do that and we end up in the bowl. If our defense stays in the 20's we are 50/50 to even get into the playoffs.

jspchief · 07-24-2006, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

yup...we have some potential at DE, but our DTs a basically a laughing stock...

We don't know what we have at DT. There are at least 3 guys that will contend for time at the DT position this year that weren't on the field for us last year.

It's not a stretch of the imagination to think that we may see significant improvement at the DT position by replacing guys like Dalton, Siavii, Browning, and Wilkerson.

It's optimistic but not unreasonable to think this D can make a big stride this year. Derrick Johnson should only get better, while Allen and Mitchell are just hitting their prime. We are the strongest at CB that we've been in a decade, having upgraded both the #2 CB and nickelback (assuming Law signs). Every position that I would label a "weak point" from last year has at least a few new faces competing for the job.

We were about 10 plays away from being a top ten defense last year. I don't think it's a pipedream to think the new guys we brought in could make the difference.

donkhater · 07-24-2006, 09:02 AM

Until this team shows me it can go on the road and beat (on both sides of the ball) a playoff-caliber team, I'll be lukewarm about them. That's league parity and 13 years without a playoff win talking.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 07-24-2006, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kcnut

Well denver fans card got trumped by the lj card of running them over and crushing thier pie hole.

(10)

StcChief · 07-24-2006, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

We don't know what we have at DT. There are at least 3 guys that will contend for time at the DT position this year that weren't on the field for us last year.

It's not a stretch of the imagination to think that we may see significant improvement at the DT position by replacing guys like Dalton, Siavii, Browning, and Wilkerson.

It's optimistic but not unreasonable to think this D can make a big stride this year. Derrick Johnson should only get better, while Allen and Mitchell are just hitting their prime. We are the strongest at CB that we've been in a decade, having upgraded both the #2 CB and nickelback (assuming Law signs). Every position that I would label a "weak point" from last year has at least a few new faces competing for the job.

We were about 10 plays away from being a top ten defense last year. I don't think it's a pipedream to think the new guys we brought in could make the difference.

Agreed...

The new faces at DT, Hali at DE
Solid CBs starting and backup Surtain,Law, Walls...Battle
SS Knight/Pollard
FS either Pollard/Wesley/Battle

Better LB Play from Bell, DJ, Mitchell

NEW Coaches...

Just the infusion of new players. give me very optomistic hope.

**MahiMike** · 07-24-2006, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by morphius

After his injury last year he came back and caught everything and anything.

Huh. I musta missed that. Sammie can't hold Boerigter's jock strap.

**the Talking Can** · 07-24-2006, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

We don't know what we have at DT. There are at least 3 guys that will contend for time at the DT position this year that weren't on the field for us last year.

It's not a stretch of the imagination to think that we may see significant improvement at the DT position by replacing guys like Dalton, Siavii, Browning, and Wilkerson.

It's optimistic but not unreasonable to think this D can make a big stride this year. Derrick Johnson should only get better, while Allen and Mitchell are just hitting their prime. We are the strongest at CB that we've been in a decade, having upgraded both the #2 CB and nickelback (assuming Law signs). Every position that I would label a "weak point" from last year has at least a few new faces competing for the job.

We were about 10 plays away from being a top ten defense last year. I don't think it's a pipedream to think the new guys we brought in could make the difference.

I agree with the gist of your post...I'm hopeful for the D, namely because I think we have enough talent now that not even Gunther can screw it up.

I don't agree with the 10 plays away comment. We own those plays. And collapases like Philly/Giants were about more than single plays. They were about scheme and talent. Coaching is still a ?? to me.

If our new DTs play at even a good-to-average level that will give us depth we didn't have. I'll take it as a sign that we're better at the position when Siavii gets cut.

htismaqe · 07-24-2006, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by nm_dbf

Agreed...

The new faces at DT, Hali at DE
Solid CBs starting and backup Surtain,Law, Walls...Battle
SS Knight/Pollard
FS either Pollard/Wesley/Battle

Better LB Play from Bell, DJ, Mitchell

NEW Coaches...

Just the infusion of new players. give me very optomistic hope.

I think getting better play from Bell, at this point, is a pipe dream. If we really want to get better, Fox needs to win that position.

KingPriest2 · 07-24-2006, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by morphius

I'm not at all worried about the front seven...

...its the damn front four that scare me.

Hali and Allen scare you? YOu are the only person that I know who has said that.

**morphius** · 07-24-2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KingPriest2

Hali and Allen scare you? YOu are the only person that I know who has said that.

I haven't seen Hali do anything yet, and he hasn't even taken Hicks position yet either. I can't say that I'm not excited to see him play, but he hasn't even played a preseason game in the NFL yet.

Mostly it was a comment that I'm content with out LB's.

B_Ambuehl · 07-24-2006, 12:46 PM

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Apparently Law was the final piece to the puzzle and now that our D is that much better for this year, our offense will go down the shitter.

That could very well occur due to lack of depth. A team needs 2 good quarterbacks and 2 good running backs. A fill-in running back can always be found but this football team doesn't have a back-up at QB.

Mecca · 07-24-2006, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

Huh. I musta missed that. Sammie can't hold Boerigter's jock strap.

...............Not more Boerigter bullshit I thought that left when he did.

07-24-2006, 12:47 AM
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