I told you they are going after all dogs. - Page 2

BIG_DADDY · 12-13-2006, 12:41 PM

I haven't posted on this for a long time and there is a disturbing new trend amoungst the psycho's who want to go after our dogs. The new trend is to go after all dogs above a certain weight. The newest legislation being proposed is in Benld, IL where they are drafting an ordinance BANNING all dogs over 15 pounds

This is the Mayors office:

201 E Central Ave
Benld, IL 62009, USA
(217) 835-2000
Tom Campbell

In Desoto Texas they want to go after all dogs over 50 lbs.

Be advised that what passes in one Texas city is copied by other cities,
whether it effectively addresses the animal problem or not. It's easy to
just pass another law.

The city of DeSoto, Texas, is holding a Town Hall Meeting on Thursday, December 7th, at 7:00 p.m. to discuss the possibility of banning certain breeds of dogs or banning ownership of all dogs over 50 lbs. Other options include "limiting the number of animals in a specific space."

Texas state law prohibits Breed Specific Legislation (BSL), but we expect
numerous bills to be filed regarding dangerous dogs when the legislature
convenes in January, including another attempt to repeal the existing law.
RPOA defeated such an attempt last legislative session with the help of many
breed clubs. The woman recently in the news who received the face
transplant was attacked by a Labrador Retriever. No breed of dog is
inherently vicious.

City Council Chambers are located at Town Center, 211 E. Pleasant Run Road
(corner of Pleasant Run and Hampton Road, DeSoto, TX 75115).
The city council is interested in hearing all points of view and positions
on this issue and urges everyone to attend this important meeting. For more
information, contact the Action Center at (972) 230-9600.

DeSoto's website says there is a growing concern over aggressive dogs in
their neighborhoods manifested by "dogs running at large without proper ID."
Most severe or fatal dog attacks result from dogs running at large, yet
there is never any mention of strict enforcement of Leash Laws.

Although mandatory spay/neuter is being touted as the solution to all evils
(upon impoundment of loose dogs), it will not stop these attacks if the dogs
are running at large. It's the opposite end of the dog that bites!
Let DeSoto city officials know that their city already has enough laws
(Leash Law, Nuisance Law and Pet Limits). Ask that they be enforced.

Contact Information:
Jim Baugh, City Manager
Phone: (972) 230-9643
Fax: (972) 230-9643
[email protected]

Mayor Michael Hurtt
http://www.ci.desoto.tx.us/mayor.htm

All council members may be emailed with one click at:
www.ci.desoto.tx.us/contact_council.htm.

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This is the new front on the war on dogs taking place in our country. This will be the new approach by animal rights groups such as teh HSUS

I guess Rudi Guiliani is a real big dog legislation guy as well:

If Rudy Guiliani is the president, KISS YOUR PIT BULLS, PIT BULL MIXES AND PIT BULL-LOOKING DOGS GOOD-BYE!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061114/...r/giuliani2008

It's official, he's going for the Presidency in 2008. All other issues aside, Pit Bull owners concerned about BSL should NOT support Guiliani. He has expressly stated that he believes Pit Bulls should be exterminated. He tried to pass a law in NY imposing very strict regulations against Pit Bulls. He has made no secret of the fact that he despises Pit Bulls. He wanted to ELIMINATE HEARINGS on dangerous dogs and let cities DESTROY pets without such a hearing.

http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/studentw...8/pitbull.html

Any politician that advocates ELIMINATING due process HEARINGS for any reason is NO politician that should be President of the United States. Hearings for people accused of committing crimes are a Constitutional Right (and most dangerous dog citations fall under the criminal code against the owner). Rudy Guiliani wants to bypass the United States Constitution and deprive people of their Constitutional Rights.

Sound familiar?

And this time it's not even to allegedly fight TERRORISM. It's because he doesn't like the kind of DOGS some people own.

Scary.

Read more about Guiliani and his views on Pit Bulls

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstra...t%20New%20York

Giuliani Proposes Tough Law on 'Dangerous' Dogs, Angering Owners

*Please Note: Archive articles do not include photos, charts or graphics. More information. January 28, 1999, Thursday

By DAN BARRY (NYT); Metropolitan Desk
Late Edition - Final, Section B, Page 1, Column 2, 933 words

DISPLAYING ABSTRACT - New York City Mayor Giuliani administration trains its quality-of-life sights on city's dogs with bill that would increase fines for harboring dogs deemed to be dangerous, deny dogs any consideration for being provoked into barking or biting, and require owners of pit bulls to obtain $100,000 in liability insurance before being granted dog license

I'm also wondering -- so under his regime, if a serial murderer breaks into your home and tries to kill you, and your dog BITES the would-be killer, your dog is deemed dangerous without a hearing and euthanized?

I don't care who ELSE you support for President, but I urge all dog owners to vote NO to Rudy Guiliani and to spread the word far and wide. We have a year to get the word out to dog lovers everywhere.

Rudy Guiliani cannot be the next President, and it has so much more to do with DOGS. It has to do with basic due process rights afforded by the United States Constitution... rights that separate this country from many others.... Rights that many men and women have died protecting.

BIG_DADDY · 12-13-2006, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

When they banned them in KC, those wonderful loving Pitbull Owners who made such a fuss started dumping them in the rural areas like crazy.

I know of at least 4 that were dumped and as a result shot by people I know.You dont want those kind of dogs unattended or around livestock.

Pittbulls are bred for meanness

I agree you can't just have these dogs running around livestock, they are animal aggressive. They however are not human aggressive by nature. Kansas and Missouri now lead the nation in BSL, that's not a good thing. Remember in areas where they get it through the next goal is to add additional breeds.

**Donger** · 12-13-2006, 12:58 PM

They can have my dog when they pry it from my peanut butter encrusted....

Oh, wait a minute.

MOhillbilly · 12-13-2006, 12:59 PM

humaniacs saveing us from us.

animalrights really means less rights for you.

**Donger** · 12-13-2006, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

For the record labs bite more people than any other dog in the bay area where I live.

And how many of those resulted in maiming or death? I don't agree with banning, but let's acknowledge that certqain breeds are more capable of inflicting serious injury than others.

HonestChieffan · 12-13-2006, 01:01 PM

The debate will rage forever with the gangbangers and whomever who has the pittbulls all going nutso over bans while the media makes sure we get prime time coverage of pitbull attacks on kids, old ladys, and whoever.

That pitbull that killed a lady in KC about a month after another pitbull put a guy in the hospital for about 3 weeks pretty well tipped it over in KC area.

Not many lab killings or scotch terrier maulings being reported.

**Donger** · 12-13-2006, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX

I'd much prefer to see dog owners with IQs below 90 (or maybe 95) taken off the streets.

FAX

Indeed.

BIG_DADDY · 12-13-2006, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dongless

And how many of those resulted in maiming or death? I don't agree with banning, but let's acknowledge that certqain breeds are more capable of inflicting serious injury than others.

No question. There are many breeds capable of quite extensive damage.

Chiefnj · 12-13-2006, 01:05 PM

If all Pit Bull breeders were reputable and only sold to reputable persons this wouldn't be a big issue.

BIG_DADDY · 12-13-2006, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

Not many lab killings or scotch terrier maulings being reported.

Texas state law prohibits Breed Specific Legislation (BSL), but we expect
numerous bills to be filed regarding dangerous dogs when the legislature
convenes in January, including another attempt to repeal the existing law.
RPOA defeated such an attempt last legislative session with the help of many
breed clubs. The woman recently in the news who received the face
transplant was attacked by a Labrador Retriever. No breed of dog is
inherently vicious.

**penguinz** · 12-13-2006, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redrum_69

If that was the case they'd ban your mom long ago...

You have lost your burst. It has been ages since one of your little posts has been the least bit entertaining let alone funny. You need to go back to when you would pop in rare occasions.

HonestChieffan · 12-13-2006, 01:06 PM

In Kc we have not heard anyone ever mention banning other breeds. Thats why states should allow single breed banning so you dont force stupid crap like banning dogs of a certain size. If they had not passed that boneheaded breed specific deal they could ban pitbulls and move on.

BIG_DADDY · 12-13-2006, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj

If all Pit Bull breeders were reputable and only sold to reputable persons this wouldn't be a big issue.

Yes it would be because the people who are promoting this legislation are against the domestic ownership of all animals. The pit was just a tool used to try and get BSL pased. Now that they are beginning to lose that battle their real objective is easier to see as they go after all dogs above a certain size. They are going to try and make that size as small as possible to get as many breeds as they can.

FAX · 12-13-2006, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

No question. There are many breeds capable of quite extensive damage.

In my experience, the Great White Pekingese is an unruly little bastard. Don't go near their water.

FAX

BIG_DADDY · 12-13-2006, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

In Kc we have not heard anyone ever mention banning other breeds. Thats why states should allow single breed banning so you dont force stupid crap like banning dogs of a certain size. If they had not passed that boneheaded breed specific deal they could ban pitbulls and move on.

You haven't had a chance to see the long term effects of the legislation as it has just recently passed there. Give it some time. Denver who started all this shit has already considered making Rottweilers next. Owners need to be held accountable for the actions of their dogs period, whatever breed. Once you start down the path of that breed of dog has vicious tendencies you leave the door wide open. If you look at the history of dog legislation globally and the people promoting it they never stop with one breed or even 10. Remember the objective.

JimNasium · 12-13-2006, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX

I'd much prefer to see dog owners with IQs below 90 (or maybe 95) taken off the streets.

FAX

12-13-2006, 12:41 PM
BIG_DADDY THE RED MENACE Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Texas Casino cash: $2558410	I told you they are going after all dogs. I haven't posted on this for a long time and there is a disturbing new trend amoungst the psycho's who want to go after our dogs. The new trend is to go after all dogs above a certain weight. The newest legislation being proposed is in Benld, IL where they are drafting an ordinance BANNING all dogs over 15 pounds This is the Mayors office: 201 E Central Ave Benld, IL 62009, USA (217) 835-2000 Tom Campbell In Desoto Texas they want to go after all dogs over 50 lbs. Be advised that what passes in one Texas city is copied by other cities, whether it effectively addresses the animal problem or not. It's easy to just pass another law. The city of DeSoto, Texas, is holding a Town Hall Meeting on Thursday, December 7th, at 7:00 p.m. to discuss the possibility of banning certain breeds of dogs or banning ownership of all dogs over 50 lbs. Other options include "limiting the number of animals in a specific space." Texas state law prohibits Breed Specific Legislation (BSL), but we expect numerous bills to be filed regarding dangerous dogs when the legislature convenes in January, including another attempt to repeal the existing law. RPOA defeated such an attempt last legislative session with the help of many breed clubs. The woman recently in the news who received the face transplant was attacked by a Labrador Retriever. No breed of dog is inherently vicious. City Council Chambers are located at Town Center, 211 E. Pleasant Run Road (corner of Pleasant Run and Hampton Road, DeSoto, TX 75115). The city council is interested in hearing all points of view and positions on this issue and urges everyone to attend this important meeting. For more information, contact the Action Center at (972) 230-9600. DeSoto's website says there is a growing concern over aggressive dogs in their neighborhoods manifested by "dogs running at large without proper ID." Most severe or fatal dog attacks result from dogs running at large, yet there is never any mention of strict enforcement of Leash Laws. Although mandatory spay/neuter is being touted as the solution to all evils (upon impoundment of loose dogs), it will not stop these attacks if the dogs are running at large. It's the opposite end of the dog that bites! Let DeSoto city officials know that their city already has enough laws (Leash Law, Nuisance Law and Pet Limits). Ask that they be enforced. Contact Information: Jim Baugh, City Manager Phone: (972) 230-9643 Fax: (972) 230-9643 [email protected] Mayor Michael Hurtt http://www.ci.desoto.tx.us/mayor.htm All council members may be emailed with one click at: www.ci.desoto.tx.us/contact_council.htm. Responsible Pet Owners Alliance 900 NE Loop 410 #311-D San Antonio, TX 78209 Phone: (210) 822-6763 Fax: (210) 822-9038 Website: www. responsiblepetowners. org $15 Annual dues (January - December) To share information, subscribe or unsubscribe, send an e-mail message to rpoa @ texas.net. This is the new front on the war on dogs taking place in our country. This will be the new approach by animal rights groups such as teh HSUS I guess Rudi Guiliani is a real big dog legislation guy as well: If Rudy Guiliani is the president, KISS YOUR PIT BULLS, PIT BULL MIXES AND PIT BULL-LOOKING DOGS GOOD-BYE! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061114/...r/giuliani2008 It's official, he's going for the Presidency in 2008. All other issues aside, Pit Bull owners concerned about BSL should NOT support Guiliani. He has expressly stated that he believes Pit Bulls should be exterminated. He tried to pass a law in NY imposing very strict regulations against Pit Bulls. He has made no secret of the fact that he despises Pit Bulls. He wanted to ELIMINATE HEARINGS on dangerous dogs and let cities DESTROY pets without such a hearing. http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/studentw...8/pitbull.html Any politician that advocates ELIMINATING due process HEARINGS for any reason is NO politician that should be President of the United States. Hearings for people accused of committing crimes are a Constitutional Right (and most dangerous dog citations fall under the criminal code against the owner). Rudy Guiliani wants to bypass the United States Constitution and deprive people of their Constitutional Rights. Sound familiar? And this time it's not even to allegedly fight TERRORISM. It's because he doesn't like the kind of DOGS some people own. Scary. Read more about Guiliani and his views on Pit Bulls http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstra...t%20New%20York Giuliani Proposes Tough Law on 'Dangerous' Dogs, Angering Owners Please Note: Archive articles do not include photos, charts or graphics. More information. January 28, 1999, Thursday By DAN BARRY (NYT); Metropolitan Desk Late Edition - Final, Section B, Page 1, Column 2, 933 words DISPLAYING ABSTRACT - New York City Mayor Giuliani administration trains its quality-of-life sights on city's dogs with bill that would increase fines for harboring dogs deemed to be dangerous, deny dogs any consideration for being provoked into barking or biting*, and require owners of pit bulls to obtain $100,000 in liability insurance before being granted dog license I'm also wondering -- so under his regime, if a serial murderer breaks into your home and tries to kill you, and your dog BITES the would-be killer, your dog is deemed dangerous without a hearing and euthanized? I don't care who ELSE you support for President, but I urge all dog owners to vote NO to Rudy Guiliani and to spread the word far and wide. We have a year to get the word out to dog lovers everywhere. Rudy Guiliani cannot be the next President, and it has so much more to do with DOGS. It has to do with basic due process rights afforded by the United States Constitution... rights that separate this country from many others.... Rights that many men and women have died protecting.
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HonestChieffan Seeking the Truth daily Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the Country in MO Casino cash: $-1595691	The debate will rage forever with the gangbangers and whomever who has the pittbulls all going nutso over bans while the media makes sure we get prime time coverage of pitbull attacks on kids, old ladys, and whoever. That pitbull that killed a lady in KC about a month after another pitbull put a guy in the hospital for about 3 weeks pretty well tipped it over in KC area. Not many lab killings or scotch terrier maulings being reported. __________________ "We read books for knowledge; We read the Bible for wisdom!"
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HonestChieffan Seeking the Truth daily Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the Country in MO Casino cash: $-1595691	In Kc we have not heard anyone ever mention banning other breeds. Thats why states should allow single breed banning so you dont force stupid crap like banning dogs of a certain size. If they had not passed that boneheaded breed specific deal they could ban pitbulls and move on. __________________ "We read books for knowledge; We read the Bible for wisdom!"
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