Herm Did More With Less - Page 7

**petegz28** · 10:31 AM

I know this is all reiterations but some need the reminder obviously...

No Roaf, no RT, an aged Will Shields, no T-Rich, no DT's above average, no Priest Holmes\LJ combo, no Saunders, rookie OC that had head in ass syndrome, injured starting QB for 8 weeks out of the gate..

result:
9-7 record and playoff appearance.
Defense went from 31 to 16
Offense dropped from 1 - 16

Given everything he had to work with I would say the drop in offense was to be expected.

Could we have made some better decisions? Sure
Is there room for improvment? Most definitely
Did we do better than what most would expect given the situation? Yes

So before you send Herm down the river I would say you have to ask yourself what might of happened with a real LT and FB offensively?

Chief Roundup · 02-06-2007, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

I'd rather not make the playoffs by relying on other teams and then one we get in lay a damn goose egg on offense and really show that we didn't belong.

I look at it a little differently as far as making the playoffs. If 9-7 is what it takes to get it we did it and they didn't.
If our game was the last one of the day on Sunday we would not of been "relying" on other teams to lose. We would of be "relying" on ourselves to win.
Bottum line we did what it took and all of the other teams didn't do what it took.

Chief Roundup · 02-06-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

Keep expectations low, avoid disappointment.

Yeah and don't ever try because you might fail.

**2112** · 02-06-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

So you'll never give Herm a fair shake.... except if he wins a big game or the big game, then you'll admit you were wrong?

And you don't see anything unreasonable or biased about this approach?

The world is flat, and it will always be flat..... until somebody sails around the world... then it will be round... until then, science can kiss my a$$..... ?

Newsflash! Damon Huard had 11 TD's and 1 INT and played great,and your boy Hermy fired his coach Terry Shea..what does that tell you?

BigRock · 02-06-2007, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Vos

Newsflash! Damon Huard had 11 TD's and 1 INT and played great,and your boy Hermy fired his coach Terry Shea..what does that tell you?

So now it's because of Terry Shea that Huard played well? Um, okay. Then it's also Terry Shea's fault that Trent played so badly.

milkman · 02-06-2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

So now it's because of Terry Shea that Huard played well? Um, okay. Then it's also Terry Shea's fault that Trent played so badly.

I think his point is that Huard played at a much higher level than anyone could have expected, and that Shea should be given credit for that.

Green never returned to form as a result of the concussion.

He's a QB coach, not a doctor, Jim.

Fish · 02-06-2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Vos

Newsflash! Damon Huard had 11 TD's and 1 INT and played great,and your boy Hermy fired his coach Terry Shea..what does that tell you?

Hermy is not my boy.... and by your logic Trent Green should have done just as well as Huard when he came back from injury... he didn't...

BigRock · 02-06-2007, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I think his point is that Huard played at a much higher level than anyone could have expected, and that Shea should be given credit for that.

Green never returned to form as a result of the concussion.

He's a QB coach, not a doctor, Jim.

Trent played fine against the Browns, though. And if he had gotten a few other soft defenses to play after he came back, he probably would have put up similar numbers. But his performance there just reinforced the same pattern we saw all season. Let's not forget that as well as Huard did against the likes of the 49'ers and the Rams, he wasn't any better against the Steelers or Dolphins than Trent was against the Ravens or Jags.

If anyone wants to line up and heap praise on Terry Shea for the games where Huard played well... and he deserves credit, though certainly not all of it... then they also need to blame him for the games where the QB play struggled. And there were more games featuring the latter last season, from both QBs.

Extra Point · 02-06-2007, 11:50 PM

This is for sure: There were no "funny plays" this past season, and there will be none this coming season.

The only problem I have with Herm is that he's just like George Allen, but he doesn't have the hogs. You can't establish the run before passing, without a strong line.

Throwing on 1st down was a rarity. The quick slant is a very powerful weapon, and it was severely underused when Green was on the field. Glad LJ has a record, but I'm sure he'd rather have a ring.

**2112** · 02-07-2007, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

So now it's because of Terry Shea that Huard played well? Um, okay. Then it's also Terry Shea's fault that Trent played so badly.

He certainly shouldn't have been fired..that makes no sense.

Tell me why Shea was fired?is that an easier question?

**2112** · 02-07-2007, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

Hermy is not my boy.... and by your logic Trent Green should have done just as well as Huard when he came back from injury... he didn't...

Well by your logic Herm should fire himself also..Green was coming back from a head injury..

**2112** · 02-07-2007, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I think his point is that Huard played at a much higher level than anyone could have expected, and that Shea should be given credit for that.

Green never returned to form as a result of the concussion.

He's a QB coach, not a doctor, Jim.

Exactly!

BigRock · 02-07-2007, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Vos

Tell me why Shea was fired?is that an easier question?

Yeah, that's a fairly easy one.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2730008

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Just days after indicating that he will rework the Kansas City playbook for 2007, Chiefs coach Herm Edwards has fired quarterbacks aide Terry Shea, a move that probably signals a major overhaul in the team's offensive design.

Shea, 60, had strong ties to former Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil and was a devotee of onetime offensive coordinator Al Saunders. With Edwards determined to move in a different direction, and perhaps scrap much of the offense with which the former staff operated, the dismissal of Shea was not surprising.

**2112** · 02-07-2007, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

Yeah, that's a fairly easy one.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2730008

Why did he keep him on to begin with?
He should have known that in January of last year,right?

FAX · 02-07-2007, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Vos

Why did he keep him on to begin with?
He should have known that in January of last year,right?

Good question, Mr. Vos. I'm pretty certain that Shea probably said something along the lines of, "Hey Herm, maybe we should consider running play action on first down once in a while?"

At which point, Herm had two options: Think or Fire.

FAX

SPchief · 02-07-2007, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Vos

Why did he keep him on to begin with?
He should have known that in January of last year,right?

Possibly to keep a little bit of continuity with the offense. I'd be willing to guess that if Herm fired EVERY offensive coach on his second day last year, this team would have went 1-15.

02-06-2007, 10:23 AM
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