Time to trade Jared Allen... - Page 11

htismaqe · 03-28-2007, 09:31 AM

With the latest news from his agent, it's time to shop the guy hard to Atlanta to see if we can get the Schaub picks.

Anybody agree?

Reerun_KC · 03-29-2007, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Put it this way:

If Vermeil was the coach, I wouldn't trade him.

With Herm here, I'd try to get as many 1st-day draft picks as possible.

Not only do I think we could actually GET something with those picks, but then the cupboard would be fully-stocked when Herm leaves.

Couldnt of said it better!

Chiefnj · 03-29-2007, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's all speculation.

But if this team is truly building for the future, they have to get as many good players as possible.

The best way to do that is trade the players that have TRUE value. We can trade guys like Trent and Wesley but they don't have much value.

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I disagree. You don't trade young ascending players. Those are the guys you build around. Those are the guys you are hoping to draft. You try to trade guys like Tony G, Law, Surtain, Green, etc.

In 2002 (Urlacher's third year) the Bears went 4-12. They didn't trade Urlacher for more picks because they were building for the future - they built around him because he was young and ascending.

The Colts were 6-10 in 2001 and Manning had a TD/INT ratio of about 1:1, they didn't trade him for more picks - they built around him.

In 1998/1999 when Marchibroda was struggling with the Ravens and Billick was taking overthey didn't trade Lewis (3rd year) for more picks. You keep your young good players because the draft is a complete crapshoot.

**HemiEd** · 03-29-2007, 07:57 AM

I watched the Thanksgiving game over last night. I would suggest anyone that has let the off season get to them, watch that game over. The reason I picked that game, I only have two saved on my DVR and can not get past the introductions on the playoff game.

Jared Allen dominated the first half of that game, he was a major influence on the outcome. He was everywhere, fun to watch again.

People that think we can just plug another draft choice in an go, are nuts IMO.

He is one of the better DEs in the history of the Chiefs, and we want to let him go over possible suspensions? Nuts I tell you, that is just nuts. Jared Allen needs to remain a Chief.

Brock · 03-29-2007, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

You don't trade young ascending players.

Unless they're more trouble than they're worth. Think about how pissed you'll be if and when Allen gets suspended for a year and how you could have gotten 2 or 3 players for him.

**HemiEd** · 03-29-2007, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Unless they're more trouble than they're worth. Think about how pissed you'll be if and when Allen gets suspended for a year and how you could have gotten 2 or 3 players for him.

I would be even more pissed if he is on another team, and doesn't get suspended for a year. I believe him when he said he has learned his lesson, these kind don't come along every day.

unothadeal · 03-29-2007, 08:50 AM

Carl should assign him a personal driver. Problem solved.

keg in kc · 03-29-2007, 09:07 AM

I love reading the way some of you guys talk about him. It's like he's a combination of Bruce Smith and Reggie White with some Derrick Thomas thrown in.

When in reality his performance so far is exactly 1 sack better than Eric Hicks from 2000-2002.

**HemiEd** · 03-29-2007, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I love reading the way some of you guys talk about him. It's like he's a combination of Bruce Smith and Reggie White with some Derrick Thomas thrown in.

When in reality his performance so far is exactly 1 sack better than Eric Hicks from 2000-2002.

Do you have the QB pressure numbers? Tackles? That is what I noticed in watching that game again last night and focusing on him. He is a game changer, period.

IMO the sacks do not tell the whole story.

InChiefsHeaven · 03-29-2007, 09:18 AM

Yeah, you can't just go by sack numbers. I mean, if you are saying he's only a marginal upgrade to Eric Hicks, you are seriously on crack.

Chiefnj · 03-29-2007, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I love reading the way some of you guys talk about him. It's like he's a combination of Bruce Smith and Reggie White with some Derrick Thomas thrown in.

When in reality his performance so far is exactly 1 sack better than Eric Hicks from 2000-2002.

DT put up great numbers playing next to Eric Hicks, Ryan Sims and Junior Siavii.

Hammock Parties · 03-29-2007, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

DT put up great numbers playing next to Eric Hicks, Ryan Sims and Junior Siavii.

WTF?

unothadeal · 03-29-2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

WTF?

I think he meant to put a "?" instead of a "."

trndobrd · 03-29-2007, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I love reading the way some of you guys talk about him. It's like he's a combination of Bruce Smith and Reggie White with some Derrick Thomas thrown in.

When in reality his performance so far is exactly 1 sack better than Eric Hicks from 2000-2002.

Yep, practically the same guy. Has anyone ever seen Eric Hicks and Jarred Allen in the same place at the same time? Let's cut Allen and move Hicks back into that starting spot. Hell, Plummer retired, so we don't need speed to defend the bootleg anymore.

Allen 2004- 2006: 142 tackles/21 Assists/27.5 Sacks/10 forced fumbles/15 passes defended
Hicks 2000-2002: 118 tackles/33 Assists/26.5 Sacks/ 4 forced fumbles/5 passes defended

Chiefnj · 03-29-2007, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

WTF?

My point is that it is silly to compare Allen with DT when DT played next to Smith, Saleamua and Maas his first few years in the league. I'm sure DT's production wouldn't have been the same playing next to the caliber of players that Allen has had to line up with.

keg in kc · 03-29-2007, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Yeah, you can't just go by sack numbers. I mean, if you are saying he's only a marginal upgrade to Eric Hicks, you are seriously on crack.

I'm saying that to this point he's an average player that you guys talk about like he's some kind of budding star. I don't think he's the best end on the team, much less one of the top 15 or 20 ends in the league. That's without even considering the impending suspension or his history of drinking problems. He doesn't deserve a big contract as far as I'm concerned. He hasn't earned it on the field, and even if he had, his behavior off it nullifies that.

Personally I think he's a cult figure in KC because of his personality, more than his production. But that's just my opinion.

03-28-2007, 09:31 AM
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