Nappy-headed Ho?... "a drop in the ocean of barbaric filth and anti-female hatred" - Page 6

Mr. Kotter · 07:13 AM

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Imus' language not unusual

Published: April 13, 2007
The following column contains strong language that may be offensive to some readers.

By Michelle Malkin
McClatchy Times

Let's stipulate: I have no love for Don Imus, Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. A pox on all their race-baiting houses.

Let's also stipulate: The Rutgers women's basketball team didn't deserve to be disrespected as "nappy-headed hos." No woman deserves that. I agree with the athletes that Imus's misogynist mockery was "deplorable, despicable and unconscionable." And as I noted on Fox News "O'Reilly Factor" this week, I believe top public officials and journalists who have appeared on Imus' show should take responsibility for enabling Imus - and should disavow his longstanding invective.

But let's take a breath now and look around. Is the Sharpton & Jackson Circus truly committed to cleaning up cultural pollution that demeans women and perpetuates racial epithets? Have you seen the Billboard Hot Rap Tracks chart this week?

The No. 1 rap track is by a new sensation who goes by the name of "Mims." The "song" is "This Is Why I'm Hot." It has topped the charts for the last 15 weeks. Here's a taste of the lyrics that young men and women are cranking up in their cars:

This is why I'm hot

Catch me on the block

Every other day

Another bitch another drop

16 bars, 24 pop

44 songs, ***** gimme what you got . . .

. . . We into big spinners

See my pimping never dragged

Find me wit' different women that you *****s never had

For those who say they know me know I'm focused on ma cream
Player you come between you'd better focus on the beam

I keep it so mean the way you see me lean

And when I say I'm hot my ***** dis is what I mean

Let's move down the Billboard list, shall we? The No. 2 rap track in the nation this week is by rappers Bow Wow and R. Kelly. The "song" is called "I'm a Flirt," and it's been on the charts for 12 weeks:

Ima b pimpin

I don't be slippin

When it come down to these hos

I don't love em

We don't cuff em

Man that's just the way it goes

I pull up in the Phantom

All the ladies think handsome

Jewelry shining, I stay stuntin'

That's why these *****s can't stand em

Ima chick mag-a-net

And anything fine I'm bag-gin it

And if she got a man, I don't care

10 toes and I wanna be, cause I gotta have it

Now the moral of the story is cuff yo chick, 'cause hey,

I'm black, fresh, and I rap, plus I'm rich, and I'm a flirt.

Al Sharpton, I am sure, is ready to call a press conference with the National Organization for Women to jointly protest this garbage and the radio stations and big pimpin' music companies behind it.

Or perhaps the New Civility Squad is not convinced yet that the Billboard chart toppers I've highlighted are representative? Let's proceed to No. 3 on the Billboard rap charts this week (and on the charts for the past 13 weeks): "Go Getta" by a rapper named "Young Jeezy" with a special appearance by R. Kelly (again!). Here's the "chorus":

You know we trap all day

Play all night

Dis Is Da Life Of A Go Getta (Ey) Go Getta (Ey) Go Getta (Yea)

U In Da Club

U C A Bad Bitch

Point Her Out (Oh)

Yea U Damn Right Ima (Ey)

You Damn Right Ima Go Getta (Ey) Go Getta (Ey) Go Getta (Yea)

One dumb radio/television shock jock's insult is a drop in the ocean of barbaric filth and anti-female hatred on the radio.

Imus gets a two-week suspension and then fired. What kind of relief do we get from these rappers and their music industry enablers who have helped turn America into Tourette's Nation?

Michelle Malkin is author of "Unhinged: Exposing Liberals Gone Wild." Her e-mail address is [email protected].

FAX · 04-13-2007, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

I didn't even know who he was until this.

And I really don't know which is less newsworthy between Smith and this.

I always liked Imus. And, I'll tell you why.

He reminds me of the men I grew up around in the midwest. Tough, outspoken, no-bullshit people who call it like it is. I've mentioned this in another thread, but I'll repeat the point since I, apparently, have little better to do.

I see people like Imus and other comedians of the same ilk the way I view the court jesters and fools from the Middle Ages. Fools played an important cultural role in their ability to say anything about anybody with impunity. They were unique, for example, in that they could make fun of Royals without fear of punishment. This is an important role of humor or comedy as it serves as a way to expose societal truth, values, and unspoken knowledge in the guise of amusement.

Shutting down our fools is shutting down our ability to laugh at our common pain which is vital to cultural healing.

FAX

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**KcMizzou** · 04-13-2007, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

I didn't even know who he was until this.

And I really don't know which is less newsworthy between Smith and this.

To sum it up... Imus said something completely moronic and racially charged, in a public forum, about a specific group of young women who are mostly black.

In my opinion, it was more sexist than racist, but either way it was stupid. He was suspended which was fitting (again, in my opinion) Then Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton started a crusade, and he lost his show.

The issue (for most) is how these two men who seem want to represent black America can be so outraged by what Imus said, while ignoring similar slurs and insults in hip-hop music.

Personally, I don't have a problem with Imus being fired. He worked for a company, and he cost that company money when sponsors like GM pulled out. That's economics. It's the way our world works.

But... don't do it because tools like Sharpton and Jackson threw a bitch fit.

StcChief · 04-13-2007, 11:45 PM

between the Sharpton/Jackson BS hypocrite about this.
The "wreck" of the NJ govenor trying to get photo op....

The basketball team. Nappy or not....sounded "genuine".....

I imagine Imus will be in for a nice vacation from work.
and likely not miss it.

His choice to come back somewhere else later in life.

FAX · 04-13-2007, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou

... But... don't do it because tools like Sharpton and Jackson threw a bitch fit.

This makes me wonder, Mr. KcMizzou. We are all aware by now that our country has been run by and through the Skull and Bones society for many decades.

Do we know, however, if there is an African American version of Skull and Bones? And, if so, are they fueling these actions?

FAX

Boyceofsummer · 04-14-2007, 12:31 AM

Don Imus and his racial slur have context. Violence does not nor did not associate with Don Imus towards these black women.

On the other hand, rap music has been and is being used as an expression and extension of hatred, violence and senseless murder. Not only against women, but women and children, innocent bystanders and rival black men. This problem is becoming a blight within our communities, our schools, and our military. Look no further than what this board is based upon. NFL culture. The violence and killing must stop. The comparison of this ‘Imus’ event and what is reality with a dysfunctional black culture is shameful. Imus deserved what he got. Gangsta rap needs a serious war waged against it as well.

Mr. Kotter · 04-14-2007, 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolmeZz

I've only seen you come down on hip-hop. I haven't seen you focus in on The Sopranos or violent video games. It only seems like you're exploiting this incident so that you can zero-in on rap, similarly to the way Sharpton has exploited it to get his face out there more and to plug his radio show.

That's a fair criticism.

I should have focused as much on other aspects of culture. However, with Sharpton and Jackson leading the charge...THEIR hypocrisy on the issue is more apparent in the hip-hop/rap scene, from where I'm sitting. So that's what I've been zeroed in on. FWIW, I do think it's a much broader issue.

Mr. Kotter · 04-14-2007, 12:47 AM

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You GO, girl!

[Verse 1:]
Baby look, I'm tied up tryin'
To convince you that I aint caught up lyin'
When she walked past me I looked, so what, big deal
I don't understand how that can make you feel
That my love ain't for real

Every day I thank the lord above that you're with me
Tell me why would I throw that away
What can I do to prove, that this is where I wanna be
So I may look occasionally
You're the only one I need

[Chorus:]
If I wanted (that girl)
Then I would be with (that girl)
But that one ain't for me
She's fine as hell
But she'll always be (that girl)
Nothin' more than (that girl)
No matter what she do
She don't' compare to you

[Verse 2:]
What you yellin' for, why you screamin'
Girl you act as if you just caught me cheatin'
When you look at other men, and don't act like you don't
I don't' trip because I know that I'm the guy
That you come home to every night

Every day I thank the lord above that you're with me
Tell me why would I throw that away
What can I do to prove, that this is where I wanna be
So I may look occasionally
You're the only one I need

[Chorus:]
If I wanted (that girl)
Then I would be with (that girl)
But that one ain't for me
She's fine as hell
But she'll always be (that girl)
Nothin' more than (that girl)
No matter what she do
She don't' compare to you

[Rap:]
I must admit it
Sometimes im weak
You don't wanna hear the truth
Don't ask me to speak
Understand
Im not the type to cheat
Im not a dog on the real
Sometimes yeah I feel the heat
But im a son of god
So I can show dat
You know dat
You can write it down
Take a picture with Kodak
You and me more than a physical thing
You da queen im the lord of da ring
Meaning that im tryin
Say, what we got can never be broken
I know these fans are women
They be wishin and hopein
Tryin to blow my spot up
Like they Bin Laden
You can tell them now
Girl it will never happen
I know they checkin for a brotha
Cuz he rappin
When he hit the club
All the owners show him dap and
Signin autographs and such
But you don't see him when
Them girls press up
He be like do not touch
OK

[Verse 3:]
I know I need you right here with me
Your why, know I need you
No other girl will do, 'cuz I need you
Right here with me, know I need you

[Chorus:]
Then I would be with (that girl)
But that one ain't for me (hey)
She's fine as hell
But she'll always be (that girl)
And nothin' more than (that girl)
No matter what she do
She don't' compare to you

[Chorus:]
All I'm sayin' if I wanted (that girl)
Then I would be with (that girl)
But that one ain't for me
She's fine as hell
But she'll always be (that girl)
Nothin' more than (that girl)
No matter what she do
She don't' compare to you

[Chorus:]
If I wanted (that girl)
Then I would be with (that girl)
But that one ain't for me
She's fine as hell
But she'll always be (that girl)
Nothin' more than (that girl)
No matter what she do
She just can't be you, baby

**KcMizzou** · 04-14-2007, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

That's a fair criticism.

I should have focused as much on other aspects of culture. However, with Sharpton and Jackson leading the charge...THEIR hypocrisy on the issue is more apparent in the hip-hop/rap scene, from where I'm sitting. So that's what I've been zeroed in on. FWIW, I do think it's a much broader issue.

I believe you're a fan of some rap, and hip-hop, correct? We've discussed music in the past.

I only point it out, because I don't think you have an agenda. Just a good point.

Mr. Kotter · 04-14-2007, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou

I believe you're a fan of some rap, and hip-hop, correct? We've discussed music in the past.

I only point it out, because I don't think you have an agenda. Just a good point.

I own some: A.D., LL Cool J, Beastie Boys, Eminem, Nelly, 311 (if you want to call them "rap"--I don't,) BEPs, Outkast, and selected singles from others....yeah.

Thanks, Brandon. I've mentioned it other threads....I even "LIKE" some of the more "offensive" stuff; of course I don't always pay attention to the lyrics as much as the groove. Of course, that's a point that those who would say we are "over-reacting" to this....might make; and it's a fair one.

I just think it's very interesting; and worth talking about.

Chiefs Pantalones · 04-14-2007, 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou

To sum it up... Imus said something completely moronic and racially charged, in a public forum, about a specific group of young women who are mostly black.

In my opinion, it was more sexist than racist, but either way it was stupid. He was suspended which was fitting (again, in my opinion) Then Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton started a crusade, and he lost his show.

The issue (for most) is how these two men who seem want to represent black America can be so outraged by what Imus said, while ignoring similar slurs and insults in hip-hop music.

Personally, I don't have a problem with Imus being fired. He worked for a company, and he cost that company money when sponsors like GM pulled out. That's economics. It's the way our world works.

But... don't do it because tools like Sharpton and Jackson threw a bitch fit.

You make very good points, I agree with you after reading up on it. Why is it ok that a black person says similar stuff, but when a white person says it, it's racist? I've never really understood that.

Ultra Peanut · 04-14-2007, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

You GO, girl!

[Verse 1:]
Baby look, I'm tied up tryin'
To convince you that I aint caught up lyin'
When she walked past me I looked, so what, big deal
I don't understand how that can make you feel
That my love ain't for real

Every day I thank the lord above that you're with me
Tell me why would I throw that away
What can I do to prove, that this is where I wanna be
So I may look occasionally
You're the only one I need

[Chorus:]
If I wanted (that girl)
Then I would be with (that girl)
But that one ain't for me
She's fine as hell
But she'll always be (that girl)
Nothin' more than (that girl)
No matter what she do
She don't' compare to you

[Verse 2:]
What you yellin' for, why you screamin'
Girl you act as if you just caught me cheatin'
When you look at other men, and don't act like you don't
I don't' trip because I know that I'm the guy
That you come home to every night

Every day I thank the lord above that you're with me
Tell me why would I throw that away
What can I do to prove, that this is where I wanna be
So I may look occasionally
You're the only one I need

[Chorus:]
If I wanted (that girl)
Then I would be with (that girl)
But that one ain't for me
She's fine as hell
But she'll always be (that girl)
Nothin' more than (that girl)
No matter what she do
She don't' compare to you

[Rap:]
I must admit it
Sometimes im weak
You don't wanna hear the truth
Don't ask me to speak
Understand
Im not the type to cheat
Im not a dog on the real
Sometimes yeah I feel the heat
But im a son of god
So I can show dat
You know dat
You can write it down
Take a picture with Kodak
You and me more than a physical thing
You da queen im the lord of da ring
Meaning that im tryin
Say, what we got can never be broken
I know these fans are women
They be wishin and hopein
Tryin to blow my spot up
Like they Bin Laden
You can tell them now
Girl it will never happen
I know they checkin for a brotha
Cuz he rappin
When he hit the club
All the owners show him dap and
Signin autographs and such
But you don't see him when
Them girls press up
He be like do not touch
OK

[Verse 3:]
I know I need you right here with me
Your why, know I need you
No other girl will do, 'cuz I need you
Right here with me, know I need you

[Chorus:]
Then I would be with (that girl)
But that one ain't for me (hey)
She's fine as hell
But she'll always be (that girl)
And nothin' more than (that girl)
No matter what she do
She don't' compare to you

[Chorus:]
All I'm sayin' if I wanted (that girl)
Then I would be with (that girl)
But that one ain't for me
She's fine as hell
But she'll always be (that girl)
Nothin' more than (that girl)
No matter what she do
She don't' compare to you

[Chorus:]
If I wanted (that girl)
Then I would be with (that girl)
But that one ain't for me
She's fine as hell
But she'll always be (that girl)
Nothin' more than (that girl)
No matter what she do
She just can't be you, baby

Holy ****. Yes.

CHIEF4EVER · 04-14-2007, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle_Ted

You seem to think that language can only be considered objectively, black and white so to speak, and that's just not the way anyone operates. My hypothetical does make sense because even two hypothetical strangers calling me an "asshole" might be doing so in completely different contexts, and that context is going to govern my reaction. You don't just have some automatic reaction that your brain calls up and automatically uses 100% of the time every time someone calles you an "asshole".

To equate Chappelle using the n-word with some skinhead using the n-word, and to say that you either have to be equally offended by both or offended by neither, is reeruned. Once again, you are refusing to look at it from the perspective of WHY the racial ephitet is offensive to the target of the ephitet in the first place.

Again, you are trying to substantiate using a racial slur. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO USES IT. IT IS WRONG. DON'T EFFING USE IT. Clear enough?

CHIEF4EVER · 04-14-2007, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boyceofsummer

Don Imus and his racial slur have context. Violence does not nor did not associate with Don Imus towards these black women.

On the other hand, rap music has been and is being used as an expression and extension of hatred, violence and senseless murder. Not only against women, but women and children, innocent bystanders and rival black men. This problem is becoming a blight within our communities, our schools, and our military. Look no further than what this board is based upon. NFL culture. The violence and killing must stop. The comparison of this ‘Imus’ event and what is reality with a dysfunctional black culture is shameful. Imus deserved what he got. Gangsta rap needs a serious war waged against it as well.

That has to be hands down the best post I have ever seen you make. Rep.

Mr. Kotter · 04-14-2007, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER

That has to be hands down the best post I have ever seen you make. Rep.

Funny, I was thinking the EXACT same thing.

04-13-2007, 07:06 AM
Mr. Kotter Self Ban Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: In some's minds... Casino cash: $3194285	Nappy-headed Ho?... "a drop in the ocean of barbaric filth and anti-female hatred" http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs...119/COLUMNISTS Imus' language not unusual Published: April 13, 2007 The following column contains strong language that may be offensive to some readers. By Michelle Malkin McClatchy Times Let's stipulate: I have no love for Don Imus, Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. A pox on all their race-baiting houses. Let's also stipulate: The Rutgers women's basketball team didn't deserve to be disrespected as "nappy-headed hos." No woman deserves that. I agree with the athletes that Imus's misogynist mockery was "deplorable, despicable and unconscionable." And as I noted on Fox News "O'Reilly Factor" this week, I believe top public officials and journalists who have appeared on Imus' show should take responsibility for enabling Imus - and should disavow his longstanding invective. But let's take a breath now and look around. Is the Sharpton & Jackson Circus truly committed to cleaning up cultural pollution that demeans women and perpetuates racial epithets? Have you seen the Billboard Hot Rap Tracks chart this week? The No. 1 rap track is by a new sensation who goes by the name of "Mims." The "song" is "This Is Why I'm Hot." It has topped the charts for the last 15 weeks. Here's a taste of the lyrics that young men and women are cranking up in their cars: This is why I'm hot Catch me on the block Every other day Another bitch another drop 16 bars, 24 pop 44 songs, * gimme what you got . . . . . . We into big spinners See my pimping never dragged Find me wit' different women that you *s never had For those who say they know me know I'm focused on ma cream Player you come between you'd better focus on the beam I keep it so mean the way you see me lean And when I say I'm hot my * dis is what I mean Let's move down the Billboard list, shall we? The No. 2 rap track in the nation this week is by rappers Bow Wow and R. Kelly. The "song" is called "I'm a Flirt," and it's been on the charts for 12 weeks: Ima b pimpin I don't be slippin When it come down to these hos I don't love em We don't cuff em Man that's just the way it goes I pull up in the Phantom All the ladies think handsome Jewelry shining, I stay stuntin' That's why these *s can't stand em Ima chick mag-a-net And anything fine I'm bag-gin it And if she got a man, I don't care 10 toes and I wanna be, cause I gotta have it Now the moral of the story is cuff yo chick, 'cause hey, I'm black, fresh, and I rap, plus I'm rich, and I'm a flirt. Al Sharpton, I am sure, is ready to call a press conference with the National Organization for Women to jointly protest this garbage and the radio stations and big pimpin' music companies behind it. Or perhaps the New Civility Squad is not convinced yet that the Billboard chart toppers I've highlighted are representative? Let's proceed to No. 3 on the Billboard rap charts this week (and on the charts for the past 13 weeks): "Go Getta" by a rapper named "Young Jeezy" with a special appearance by R. Kelly (again!). Here's the "chorus": You know we trap all day Play all night Dis Is Da Life Of A Go Getta (Ey) Go Getta (Ey) Go Getta (Yea) U In Da Club U C A Bad Bitch Point Her Out (Oh) Yea U Damn Right Ima (Ey) You Damn Right Ima Go Getta (Ey) Go Getta (Ey) Go Getta (Yea) One dumb radio/television shock jock's insult is a drop in the ocean of barbaric filth and anti-female hatred on the radio. Imus gets a two-week suspension and then fired. What kind of relief do we get from these rappers and their music industry enablers who have helped turn America into Tourette's Nation? Michelle Malkin is author of "Unhinged: Exposing Liberals Gone Wild." Her e-mail address is [email protected]. Last edited by Mr. Kotter; 04-13-2007 at 07:13 AM..
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Boyceofsummer That Doyle, he's a mean-un Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Salina, Kansas Casino cash: $10004900	Context...................................... Don Imus and his racial slur have context. Violence does not nor did not associate with Don Imus towards these black women. On the other hand, rap music has been and is being used as an expression and extension of hatred, violence and senseless murder. Not only against women, but women and children, innocent bystanders and rival black men. This problem is becoming a blight within our communities, our schools, and our military. Look no further than what this board is based upon. NFL culture. The violence and killing must stop. The comparison of this ‘Imus’ event and what is reality with a dysfunctional black culture is shameful. Imus deserved what he got. Gangsta rap needs a serious war waged against it as well. __________________ ALL YOU GIMPS & reerunS..........GET THE OUT!
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