KU MU T-Shirt war - Page 6

irishjayhawk · 06:44 PM

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You know what the best part of Kansas and Missouri having their best ever seasons at the very same time is? The entire nation will get exposed to what is possibly the most bitter and hateful rivalry in the country in all it's glory (or shame, if you prefer). You can have your Ohio State v. Michigan or Alabama v. Auburn, but the last time I checked nobody from Columbus ever went to Ann Arbor and systematically executed every man they could find while burning the town to the ground. And certainly nobody made t-shirts later celebrating that fact.

But that did happen in 1863 in Lawrence, KS when William Quantrill led his band of "Bushwackers" to the "Jayhawker" stronghold and went on a 4 hour rampage that would become known as the "Lawrence Massacre" - one of the ugliest episodes of the brutal 10+ years of fighting along the Kansas and Missouri border. While the Civil War has become the South v. the North in most people's minds, the fighting in fact began as a violent guerrilla conflict between the abolitionists in Kansas and the slave holding Missouri settlers (more or less, like many guerrilla campaigns there were quite blurred lines at times). In many ways, those old wounds have never quite healed - Grandpa Simpson will be be deep in the cold, cold ground before he recognizes Missour-ah as a state, for example.

Those t-shirts seen above that some Missouri fans are making for the showdown at Arrowhead in two weeks are celebrating the Lawrence Massacre and in fact have Quantrill's visage and slogan emblazoned on the back - "Raise the Black Flag and Ride Hard Boys. Our Cause is Just and Our Enemies Many". Talk about going straight past normal levels of fan behavior and making a hard right turn into loony land, that might be the single most offensive gameday t-shirt I've ever seen. Kansas fans are now responding with t-shirts sporting noted violent Kansas abolitionist John Brown (who led a massacre of his own and the 1859 Harper's Ferry raid that really kicked off the Civil War powder keg) with the slogan "Keeping America Safe From Missouri Since 1854" - a mock-up of those t-shirts can be seen here.

This game is going to be played on a neutral site at Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City - home to huge parking lots for tailgating and beer sales in the stadium during the game. It's going to be for a berth in the Big XII Championship Game at the very least, and a shot at the National Championship at the most. Liquored up fans sharing the same parking lots and stadium, some who are celebrating their history of brutal violence against each other? Two fanbases who hate each other, with the chance to not only continue their own dream season but also to end the chance of glory for their rivals? Yeah, no way that doesn't end up without at least a few folks in the slammer. It's going to be a fun Saturday for the KCPD and Jackson County Sheriffs.

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beer bacon · 11-13-2007, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RunRunPassPunt

You guys should be the Missouri Bushwhackers.

I loved going to Bushwhackers Days growing up in Blue Springs, Missouri.

Bump · 11-13-2007, 03:08 AM

how come I never heard of that? I'm surprised I never heard of that when I went to KU.

**Bob Dole** · 11-13-2007, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by beer bacon

I loved going to Bushwhackers Days growing up in Blue Springs, Missouri.

You should have been attending the real Bushwhacker Days in Nevada, MO, home of the Bushwhacker Museum, and county seat of Vernon County which was raided by Brown a year before he got all famous with his raid on Harper's Ferry.

Morton and his dirty, thieving Jayhawkers burned Bob Dole's home town to the ground in 1863, 3 months before Order No. 11. **** the Jayhawks.

Personally, Bob Dole prefers the official "Partisan Ranger" to "Bushwhacker".

beer bacon · 11-13-2007, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole

You should have been attending the real Bushwhacker Days in Nevada, MO, home of the Bushwhacker Museum, and county seat of Vernon County which was raided by Brown a year before he got all famous with his raid on Harper's Ferry.

Morton and his dirty, thieving Jayhawkers burned Bob Dole's home town to the ground in 1863, 3 months before Order No. 11. **** the Jayhawks.

Personally, Bob Dole prefers the official "Partisan Ranger" to "Bushwhacker".

Growing up I had no idea what bushwhacker really meant. I just knew Bushwhacker Days meant turkey legs, go-carts, and horrible, horrible karaoke.

kepp · 11-13-2007, 08:02 AM

Plenty of horrific things were done by both "sides" during that time. The shirt is a tremendously stupid idea, as is the KU shirt in response.

KC Kings · 11-13-2007, 08:14 AM

I really don't think that anybody is glorifying the murdering of women and children, they are just trying to find something original to put on a t-shirt. Would I wear it? No, but I also wouldn't wear a Che Guevara t-shirt and many more that are seen all of the time, and no less offensive than this one.

I am just happy that both teams are amoung the best in the country, and this game will spark a serious rivalry for years to come. There has always been a rivalry, but before 2004 there weren't a lot of KU football fans and it wasn't as much fun. It was kind of like the Royals/Cardinals rivalry, which is only a rivalry because the media says it is. Now that the fan base is up there, the games will be a lot more fun to watch. Just like the MU/KU basketball rivalry, without all of the MU fans there actually hoping for the upset, it would be just another win for KU.

Frazod · 11-13-2007, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Kings

I really don't think that anybody is glorifying the murdering of women and children, they are just trying to find something original to put on a t-shirt. Would I wear it? No, but I also wouldn't wear a Che Guevara t-shirt and many more that are seen all of the time, and no less offensive than this one.

Actually, you guys have been watching Josey Wales too much. There was very little murdering/raping of women and children going on, although raiders on both sides had no trouble gunning down their husbands/fathers right in front of them and then stealing all that could be carried and burning all that could not.

IMO, many of you would be much better served by picking up a book occasionally and not get your history lessons from Clint Eastwood.

DJJasonp · 11-13-2007, 09:58 AM

I thought the bushwackers were these guys...

Eleazar · 11-13-2007, 10:00 AM

Not that we should glorify either group.. but this is a tshirt. It's not the school's mascot.

pikesome · 11-13-2007, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Actually, you guys have been watching Josey Wales too much. There was very little murdering/raping of women and children going on, although raiders on both sides had no trouble gunning down their husbands/fathers right in front of them and then stealing all that could be carried and burning all that could not.

IMO, many of you would be much better served by picking up a book occasionally and not get your history lessons from Clint Eastwood.

Those don't come on a PSP or a DS.

schneider221 · 11-13-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Third Eye

After a quick perusal of the Holiday Bowl Wiki page, the 2nd place Pac-10 and 3rd place Big 12 play.

btw its not the second place and 3rd place teams. it is the holiday bowls choice for whatever eligible pac10 team will be the second to go to the bowl same with big 12... which is why people are saying texas will jump ku/mu.

OmahaChief · 11-13-2007, 10:48 AM

The mere thought that KU fans think they could beat OU makes me laugh out loud. What in the hell makes you people think you can take OU is it the 19-14 win over CU you guys had or the 19-11 win against A&M or the 6 point win over 5-5 KSU? Mizzou had already started the demolition of that NU team for you so those 76 points look cool on a scoreboard but how about those 39 that NU put up. Even you are smart enough to know 39 is 6.5 times great then the 6 points that same team with all of the starters on offense put up on Mizzou. I just don't see what you Jayhawkers think makes you so unbeatable.

We will find out in a couple weeks but until then I can rejoice in the fact that I can count on Jayhawk fan to cheer up my day with a laugh.

Brock · 11-13-2007, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by OmahaChief

The mere thought that KU fans think they could beat OU makes me laugh out loud. What in the hell makes you people think you can take OU is it the 19-14 win over CU you guys had or the 19-11 win against A&M or the 6 point win over 5-5 KSU? Mizzou had already started the demolition of that NU team for you so those 76 points look cool on a scoreboard but how about those 39 that NU put up. Even you are smart enough to know 39 is 6.5 times great then the 6 points that same team with all of the starters on offense put up on Mizzou. I just don't see what you Jayhawkers think makes you so unbeatable.

We will find out in a couple weeks but until then I can rejoice in the fact that I can count on Jayhawk fan to cheer up my day with a laugh.

I don't see one single post from a Jayhawk fan saying KU is unbeatable, or that they would necessarily beat OU. Are you making shit up, or do you just have a lot of trouble understanding what you read?

Mr. Plow · 11-13-2007, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by OmahaChief

The mere thought that KU fans think they could beat OU makes me laugh out loud. What in the hell makes you people think you can take OU is it the 19-14 win over CU you guys had or the 19-11 win against A&M or the 6 point win over 5-5 KSU? Mizzou had already started the demolition of that NU team for you so those 76 points look cool on a scoreboard but how about those 39 that NU put up. Even you are smart enough to know 39 is 6.5 times great then the 6 points that same team with all of the starters on offense put up on Mizzou. I just don't see what you Jayhawkers think makes you so unbeatable.

We will find out in a couple weeks but until then I can rejoice in the fact that I can count on Jayhawk fan to cheer up my day with a laugh.

For some people, it's just better to not speak.

OmahaChief · 11-13-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by irishjayhawk

I think KU can. And I think MU can (and should have).

Having said that, KU has to take out MU to play them. MU has to take out KU just to get revenge so, it's really early to talk about beating OU for any team.

Brock and Blow meet example #1 of a KU fan that thinks they that KU will beat OU. I think Valiant is an Oregon fan but he also claimed hat KU or MU could whip OU.

Maybe it is both of you that should read the threads a bit closer so you are not made to look like the imbiciles that KU fans are. You obviously are upset at my comments becuase I pointed out facts that you all seeminly over look each time you open your mouths to spew your garbage about the Jayhawks.

The portion of my post about you guys thinking you are near unbeatable comes from listening to the drivel that has littered the airwaves since you guys were about 6-0. We have seen numerous posts on this site about the juggernaut that is KU football and how the Jayhawks are steam rolling people. Who are you kidding?

Hears to KU winning again this weekend and then getting exposed for the frauds you are at Arrowhead.

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KC Kings Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: KC Casino cash: $10004900	I really don't think that anybody is glorifying the murdering of women and children, they are just trying to find something original to put on a t-shirt. Would I wear it? No, but I also wouldn't wear a Che Guevara t-shirt and many more that are seen all of the time, and no less offensive than this one. I am just happy that both teams are amoung the best in the country, and this game will spark a serious rivalry for years to come. There has always been a rivalry, but before 2004 there weren't a lot of KU football fans and it wasn't as much fun. It was kind of like the Royals/Cardinals rivalry, which is only a rivalry because the media says it is. Now that the fan base is up there, the games will be a lot more fun to watch. Just like the MU/KU basketball rivalry, without all of the MU fans there actually hoping for the upset, it would be just another win for KU.
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OmahaChief Down with Nino Brown Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Omaha Casino cash: $9245000	The mere thought that KU fans think they could beat OU makes me laugh out loud. What in the hell makes you people think you can take OU is it the 19-14 win over CU you guys had or the 19-11 win against A&M or the 6 point win over 5-5 KSU? Mizzou had already started the demolition of that NU team for you so those 76 points look cool on a scoreboard but how about those 39 that NU put up. Even you are smart enough to know 39 is 6.5 times great then the 6 points that same team with all of the starters on offense put up on Mizzou. I just don't see what you Jayhawkers think makes you so unbeatable. We will find out in a couple weeks but until then I can rejoice in the fact that I can count on Jayhawk fan to cheer up my day with a laugh.
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