Chiefs Explain to me why we need to give Herm more time - Page 7

**Dave Lane** · 12-17-2007, 11:14 AM

After seeing my worst fears come true in Herm with the Jetsification of the Chiefs (a top 5 draft pick) and the destruction of a team. I wonder in this microwave world of instant gratification how is it we cling to the notion 2 years doesn't set a trend especially giving his previous body of work. So I thought well surely 2 years must be handed out like candy in the past to any head coach and then it occurred to me to check the Chiefs history to confirm this.

Chiefs Head Coaches with shortest tenures:

Tom Bettis - 1977
Frank Gansz - 1987-1988
Gunther Cunningham - 1999-2000
Paul Wiggin - 1975-1977
John Mackovic - 1983-1986

Thats half of the Chiefs Head Coaches in the history of this team. 3 of them are 2 years or less. So in the present world why not cut ties with Herm. Actually excluding Herm 33% of Chiefs coaches have had a tenure of 2 years or less. And yes I know Bettis is a bad choice. Still 2 years of Herm like performance has cost coaches their jobs in the past.

Dave

C-Mac · 12-17-2007, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead

I think Herm should get one more year, just because i think we will have a lot more talent on this team next year. To be honest Bill Belichick couldnt have won with the talent we have this year.

Ever wonder how this same lousy Oline somehow managed to block one of the top defensive lines last Sunday? They finally grew tired of being thrown under the bus and they played with some heart, desire and pride. A great coach will bring that out in his players every Sunday. There is talent on this team, there isnt enough heart,desire and belief on this team and that falls directly on the coach(s).

**Dave Lane** · 12-17-2007, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

**** Herm! He shouldn't have gotten the two years he already has. Chris Terry can help him with his move. See ya!

Dave

Hammock Parties · 12-17-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by C-Mac

Ever wonder how this same lousy Oline somehow managed to block one of the top defensive lines last Sunday? They finally grew tired of being thrown under the bus and they played with some heart, desire and pride. A great coach will bring that out in his players every Sunday. There is talent on this team, there isnt enough heart,desire and belief on this team and that falls directly on the coach(s).

Actually it had more to do with Haynesworth not playing much and Svitek showing he can actually play right tackle.

But blame the coaches for not realizing Svitek should be placed at RT all along.

**Dave Lane** · 12-17-2007, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

I'm on the fence on this issue. What coach would have had this collection of inept talent further along at this point? We know Carl has meddled with the situation and delayed a true "rebuild," which is what Herm wanted from the start.

I don't think Herm is taking us anywhere, but he deserves the chance to build his own team. I guess what I'm trying to say is, give him as much rope to hang himself with as possible. If we're this bad in 2009, pull the plug.

All you have to ask is what would this offense be like if Saunders was still OC without Herm meddling? We have gone from a #2 ranking to number 31 in 1.8 years that may be a record. It also points to coaching and descending production from a coaching scheme.

And apart from Roaf and Shields its the same basic group Saunders was working with 2 years ago. And forget green he was good but "the system" helped him and Collins both.

Dave

Hammock Parties · 12-17-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

All you have to ask is what would this offense be like if Saunders was still OC without Herm meddling?

Saunders is going to be fired in Washington most likely.

**Dave Lane** · 12-17-2007, 09:09 PM

Because he hasn't got to run his style offense for a very conservative coach.

Dave

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-17-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

All you have to ask is what would this offense be like if Saunders was still OC without Herm meddling? We have gone from a #2 ranking to number 31 in 1.8 years that may be a record. It also points to coaching and descending production from a coaching scheme.

And apart from Roaf and Shields its the same basic group Saunders was working with 2 years ago. And forget green he was good but "the system" helped him and Collins both.

Dave

Sorry, this is nonsense.

The Chiefs lost TWO hall of fame offensive lineman in consecutive years. TWO. And you expect that the Chiefs were going to continue producing their offensive numbers? Especially when DV was chasing after any DT in 5 drafts instead of drafting the BAA.

Add to the fact that Waters is 30, Weigman is 34 and Welbourne is in his thirties. They're ALL over 30! That is HUGE!

And if Saunders could do much with far less talent, why isn't he producing the same numbers in Washington, where they CLEARLY have had better offensive players across the board for the past two years? Why aren't they in the top 5?

**Dave Lane** · 12-17-2007, 09:10 PM

Gibbs still want to run the counter-trey

**Dave Lane** · 12-17-2007, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Sorry, this is nonsense.

The Chiefs lost TWO hall of fame offensive lineman in consecutive years. TWO. And you expect that the Chiefs were going to continue producing their offensive numbers? Especially when DV was chasing after any DT in 5 drafts instead of drafting the BAA.

Add to the fact that Waters is 30, Weigman is 34 and Welbourne is in his thirties. They're ALL over 30! That is HUGE!

And if Saunders could do much with far less talent, why isn't he producing the same numbers in Washington, where they CLEARLY have had better offensive players across the board for the past two years? Why aren't they in the top 5?

Put down the crack pipe dude. DC has a hideous offense and the players are pitiful.

Dave

Hammock Parties · 12-17-2007, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Because he hasn't got to run his style offense for a very conservative coach.

Dave

LOL...you do realize that Joe Gibbs was coordinating the Coryell offense back in San Diego?

Saunders is overrated. He's about as good as the talent he has to work with. No more, no less.

Hammock Parties · 12-17-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Put down the crack pipe dude. DC has a hideous offense and the players are pitiful.

Dave

The Redskins have only allowed 24 sacks this year.

Yeah, that line SUCKS.

dtebbe · 12-17-2007, 09:17 PM

Because he's a black coach and we don't want Jessie Jackson in KC?

DT

**Dave Lane** · 12-17-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

I think it's more of a "backlash" response, Mr. Messier. You know, in reaction to all the posts regarding what a fabulous drafter person Herm is. For a while there, one would think that Herm invented college football, the draft, and could mind-meld with 1000 players simultaneously to determine their futures.

In fact, his drafts have been okay - but not spectacular by any means.

FAX

Now thats funny right there!

Dave

**Dave Lane** · 12-17-2007, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

The Redskins have only allowed 24 sacks this year.

Yeah, that line SUCKS.

I'm talking about the skill positions: QB, WR, RB, TE

a1na2 · 12-17-2007, 09:30 PM

Explain to me why we need to give Herm more time

Because we are stupid and can't see that he is a moron that cannot coach in the NFL but want to give him another year or two to make his plan come to fruition.

12-17-2007, 11:14 AM
Dave Lane Space Cadet and Aczabel Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kanab, UT, USA Casino cash: $9333275 VARSITY	Explain to me why we need to give Herm more time After seeing my worst fears come true in Herm with the Jetsification of the Chiefs (a top 5 draft pick) and the destruction of a team. I wonder in this microwave world of instant gratification how is it we cling to the notion 2 years doesn't set a trend especially giving his previous body of work. So I thought well surely 2 years must be handed out like candy in the past to any head coach and then it occurred to me to check the Chiefs history to confirm this. Chiefs Head Coaches with shortest tenures: Tom Bettis - 1977 Frank Gansz - 1987-1988 Gunther Cunningham - 1999-2000 Paul Wiggin - 1975-1977 John Mackovic - 1983-1986 Thats half of the Chiefs Head Coaches in the history of this team. 3 of them are 2 years or less. So in the present world why not cut ties with Herm. Actually excluding Herm 33% of Chiefs coaches have had a tenure of 2 years or less. And yes I know Bettis is a bad choice. Still 2 years of Herm like performance has cost coaches their jobs in the past. Dave
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a1na2 Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pittsburg Casino cash: $10004900	Explain to me why we need to give Herm more time Because we are stupid and can't see that he is a moron that cannot coach in the NFL but want to give him another year or two to make his plan come to fruition.
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