Chiefs Meet With Otah

[KC4EVER]

Chiefs | Team meets with Otah
Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:40:13 -0700

Brad Biggs, of the Chicago Sun-Times, reports the Kansas City Chiefs met with University of Pittsburgh OT Jeff Otah Monday, March 24.

I think the chiefs hope they can grab him in the second, wich is considerable since we pick early in most rounds.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Look how long they are setup to be good, if the Chiefs don't do this properly they'll be losing to the Chargers year in and year out for a long time.

Again, I don't disagree with you, but it still comes down to the fact that they haven't won anything yet.

And for all the other good things he's done, AJ Smith hired Norv Turner.

In spite of that playoff run last year, I have no confidence in Norv Turner's ability.

Until and unless they do make a SB run, they are not a good example in this debate.

[melbar]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Go look at the past drafts of the Colts, Patriots and Chargers and tell me how they reached based on need.

I'll warn you, it's gonna take a while.

BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

First article I found named them specifically for 2005-

Other reaches include:

San Diego Chargers - DT Luis Castillo, Round 1 (28) Oakland Raiders - CB Stanford Routt, Round 2 (38)
Seattle Seahawks - ILB Lofa Tatupu, Round 2 (45)
Green Bay Packers - CB Nick Collins, Round 2, (51)
Indianapolis Colts - CB Kelvin Hayden, Round 2 (60)

[Mecca]

Um that pick is pretty much right around the area Castillo was thought to be going...

[milkman]

I thought Castillo fell a little because of a positive drug test.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by melbar

First article I found named them specifically for 2005-

Other reaches include:

San Diego Chargers - DT Luis Castillo, Round 1 (28) Oakland Raiders - CB Stanford Routt, Round 2 (38)
Seattle Seahawks - ILB Lofa Tatupu, Round 2 (45)
Green Bay Packers - CB Nick Collins, Round 2, (51)
Indianapolis Colts - CB Kelvin Hayden, Round 2 (60)

Originally Posted by Mecca

Um that pick is pretty much right around the area Castillo was thought to be going...

Exactly.

I'd be curious as to who thought Castillo was a reach, considering the entire world expected him to be a late R1 pick.

Link?

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

And again, nobody is saying he is a cornerstone. I called him a building block which really isn't too much to ask out of a young player on a rebuilding team.

If he averages half of those numbers over the next 5 years? Then he won't be so good. But currently that hasn't happened so currently he is a good wide receiver.

The problem is, the "empty cup" folks are willing to doubt the future of a rookie with a great year and possibly dismiss is as fluke. But they also put a lot of weight on other young players' slightly subpar year as proof that they are no-talent busts. Tamba Hali, Brodie Croyle and our safeties are total and definite trash in their book.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by milkman

I thought Castillo fell a little because of a positive drug test.

I think that is the case but he wasn't a reach at that pick, and has proven that with his play.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by milkman

I thought Castillo fell a little because of a positive drug test.

BINGO.

The steroids issue is why people thought he'd DROP to the late 1st round.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Frankie

The problem is, the "empty cup" folks are willing to doubt the future of a rookie with a great year and possibly dismiss is as fluke. But they also put a lot of weight on other young players' slightly subpar year as proof that they are no-talent busts. Tamba Hali, Brodie Croyle and our safeties are total and definite trash in their book.

I guess reading comprehension is not one of your strong points.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm saying that those who are advocating picking the BPA are looking to the future, while those that are advocating drafting based on need are only worried about getting back to 8-8 ASAP.

No disrespect dude. But that's one of the dumbest reasonings I've read on this bb. Read Baby Lee's post again. Believe me THAT is solid reasoning.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by milkman

I guess reading comprehension is not one of your strong points.

He's still trying to get Al Saunders hired as head coach.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Here's Scott Wright's final mock for 2005.

He had Castillo going at #31. What a reach.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/archive/2005/mock.html

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Frankie

No disrespect dude. But that's one of the dumbest reasonings I've read on this bb. Read Baby Lee's post again. Believe me THAT is solid reasoning.

Feel free to point me in the direction of this supposed magical post.

This is crystal clear, though you're making it difficult.

Reaching based on need is a panic move that typically set franchises further back.

Taking the BPA, as the Chargers have done for the past 5-7 years, is how you build a complete team.

Our so-called "foundation" consists of Hali, Allen, DJ and Bowe.

SD's consists of Rivers, Tomlinson, Gates, Davis, Jackson, McNeill, Hardwick, Castillo, Merriman, Olshansky, Phillips, Cromartie, and Weddle.

WHY?

Because they took the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE at the time, and didn't reach based solely on need.

[melbar]

It was from About.com/football (I can go back and get the link)

Castillo was thought to fall because of character concerns. Hayden didnt excatly make the Colts draft either, but it was a need. Everybody does it.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by milkman

I guess reading comprehension is not one of your strong points.

I swear.

Mediocrity is like heroin to some of these guys.

They need their next fix.

If people would wake the **** up and realize that it's going to be 2-3 years before we're SERIOUSLY competitive, maybe they could survive without the drug of 8-8.

And that's if we do everything right in the next 2-3 drafts.

Reaching for need is the quickest way back to records between 7-9 and 9-7, maybe edging in to the playoffs every 3 years, and losing in the 1st round. The better players you passed over are the one's that could have made a 8-8 team a 12-4 team later.