Jonathan Rand: What if (Matt) Ryan's there? - Page 6

shaneo69 · 04-10-2008, 04:27 PM

What if Ryan's there?
Apr 10, 2008, 2:15:51 AM by Jonathan Rand

What should the Chiefs do if Matt Ryan from Boston College, considered the standout quarterback in this draft, is sitting there when it’s time to make the fifth overall pick?

Thousands of Chiefs fans would be screaming, “Take him!” Some of these same fans, no doubt, were throwing chairs at their big screens last year as the Chiefs declined to trade up during Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn’s free fall. The Browns traded up with the Cowboys to grab Quinn at number 22 and the Chiefs, sitting chilly in the 23rd spot, took LSU wide receiver Dwayne Bowe.

Quinn, whom many fans urged the Browns to draft with the third overall pick, now backs up Derek Anderson — a sixth-round choice in 2005 who was waived by the Ravens.

Bowe enjoyed a standout rookie season. Had the Chiefs traded up, they would have lost Bowe and an extra high draft pick that they would have had to give to the Cowboys. For the Chiefs, trading up would have been a big mistake.

Drafting quarterbacks is a lot trickier than you might think. The list of first-round busts at this position is much longer than the list of first-round successes, which is bizarre when you consider how much tape, statistics and workout information is generated by quarterbacks.

But the adjustment from college football to the NFL is so dramatic that “can’t-miss” quarterbacks are few and far between. We still don’t know if JaMarcus Russell, the LSU quarterback picked first overall by the Raiders a year ago, was a wise pick.

The Chiefs need, first and foremost, a top-flight offensive tackle. But if Michigan’s Jake Long is one of the top four picks, the next-best tackle may not be a good enough athlete to justify taking with the fifth pick.

The Chiefs could then try to trade down or take the best player still available. And what if they consider Ryan to be that player?

Chiefs coach Herm Edwards attended Ryan’s campus workout, and should have an educated opinion on whether he’s a superior prospect to incumbent Brodie Croyle. Ryan, 6 feet 5 and 224, gets positive reviews for his size, arm and ability to throw on the run.

The Chiefs haven’t committed a first-round pick for a quarterback since they misfired with Penn State’s Todd Blackledge in 1983. Considering their long-term failure to develop a young passer, is it time now for them to finally take the plunge?

Even if the Chiefs could draft Ryan, they’d have to wonder who’d be blocking for him. It makes no sense to commit a high pick to a quarterback if you can’t protect him, and the Chiefs stand three starters short of a decent line. When the Browns drafted Quinn, they’d already solidified their protection by taking Wisconsin tackle Joe Thomas with the third overall pick.

Houston’s David Carr was a classic case of a highly drafted quarterback who received scant protection. The first overall pick in 2002, he was sacked 249 times during his first years as a Texan. Recently released by the Panthers, it’s tough to know whether Carr ever had the tools to win in the NFL. But it’s fair to say it was hard for him to develop while staring at the sky.

If the Chiefs consider drafting Ryan, they need to be convinced he’s a “can’t-miss” prospect, project him as the opening-day starter and feel confident they can quickly rebuild their offensive line. The chances of Ryan being the real deal and getting enough protection to help the Chiefs progress this year appear remote. It would come as a surprise if they draft him.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2008/04...f_ryans_there/

Brock · 04-11-2008, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by NUMBER7

Matt Ryan's agent is Condon? If he does go in the first round as planned it is going to take big bucks to sign him. Is Hunt ready to pony up with the big boys?

Who are these "big boys" you're speaking of?

Deberg_1990 · 04-11-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by NUMBER7

Is Hunt ready to pony up with the big boys?

Didnt he pony up for Gonzo and LJ???

Coach · 04-11-2008, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Didnt he pony up for Gonzo and LJ???

Yeah, a TE who's on the wrong side of the 30 year old plateau, and a running back who had a NFL record of 416 carries, the year before he got paid.

dj56dt58 · 04-11-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

Like I just said, every single analyst would agree that the only area that Croyle can match or beat Ryan is in arm strength. That is why Ryan is a top five overall prospect and Croyle was a middle-round nobody.

Thus, if you think Croyle can do everything that Ryan can do, you must place a HUGE priority on arm strength.

You mean like how Tom Brady was a middle round nobody?

suds79 · 04-11-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Yeah, a TE who's on the wrong side of the 30 year old plateau, and a running back who had a NFL record of 416 carries, the year before he got paid.

I don't think Deberg was saying if they're good signs or not.

He was simply making a point that shows Clark is willing to pony up the big bucks as it was being questioned.

suds79 · 04-11-2008, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dj56dt58

You mean like how Tom Brady was a middle round nobody?

Is that the exception or the rule?

Ben Rothlisburger & Eli Manning.

Brock · 04-11-2008, 11:16 AM

Yep, somebody always has to mention Tom Brady like he's the norm or something. Him and Joe Montana come along every 30 years or so.

Deberg_1990 · 04-11-2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by suds79

I don't think Deberg was saying if they're good signs or not.

He was simply making a point that shows Clark is willing to pony up the big bucks as it was being questioned.

Thank You.

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-11-2008, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Yep, somebody always has to mention Tom Brady like he's the norm or something. Him and Joe Montana come along every 30 years or so.

Yet both weren't taken in the 1st round

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-11-2008, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

It's almost as funny as you claiming that you are good at evaluating quarterbacks because you're a noted interweb quarterback genius, because you always thought trading for Trent Green was a smart move. Even though everybody else has Ryan as a first rounder and Croyle wasn't drafted until the third, you claim they're the same thing. You're good for a laugh your own self.

I called Bulger would be a good QB for the Rams too when he came up.

Brock · 04-11-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

I called Bulger would be a good QB for the Rams too when he came up.

And?

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-11-2008, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

And?

Nice rebuttal

Brock · 04-11-2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Nice rebuttal

There is nothing to rebut. You claim expertise with nothing to back it up but "6 years ago I said he would be good". Your opinions are no more qualified than anyone else's, period.

Deberg_1990 · 04-11-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Yep, somebody always has to mention Tom Brady like he's the norm or something. Him and Joe Montana come along every 30 years or so.

Lets just keep drafting a QB in the 6th round every year. We are bound to hit on one every 20-30 years eventually!!

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-11-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

There is nothing to rebut. You claim expertise with nothing to back it up but "6 years ago I said he would be good".

What do you want me to say? I called it, you want me to go on page long explanation and "findthdr it"? Back to the point of this whole thread, Ryan isn't a top QB, their's too many questions about his game if you are looking for top 5 draft pick QBs John Elway is the benchmark

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shaneo69 Smug Weasel Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bleachers at Busch Casino cash: $10004900	Jonathan Rand: What if (Matt) Ryan's there? What if Ryan's there? Apr 10, 2008, 2:15:51 AM by Jonathan Rand What should the Chiefs do if Matt Ryan from Boston College, considered the standout quarterback in this draft, is sitting there when it’s time to make the fifth overall pick? Thousands of Chiefs fans would be screaming, “Take him!” Some of these same fans, no doubt, were throwing chairs at their big screens last year as the Chiefs declined to trade up during Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn’s free fall. The Browns traded up with the Cowboys to grab Quinn at number 22 and the Chiefs, sitting chilly in the 23rd spot, took LSU wide receiver Dwayne Bowe. Quinn, whom many fans urged the Browns to draft with the third overall pick, now backs up Derek Anderson — a sixth-round choice in 2005 who was waived by the Ravens. Bowe enjoyed a standout rookie season. Had the Chiefs traded up, they would have lost Bowe and an extra high draft pick that they would have had to give to the Cowboys. For the Chiefs, trading up would have been a big mistake. Drafting quarterbacks is a lot trickier than you might think. The list of first-round busts at this position is much longer than the list of first-round successes, which is bizarre when you consider how much tape, statistics and workout information is generated by quarterbacks. But the adjustment from college football to the NFL is so dramatic that “can’t-miss” quarterbacks are few and far between. We still don’t know if JaMarcus Russell, the LSU quarterback picked first overall by the Raiders a year ago, was a wise pick. The Chiefs need, first and foremost, a top-flight offensive tackle. But if Michigan’s Jake Long is one of the top four picks, the next-best tackle may not be a good enough athlete to justify taking with the fifth pick. The Chiefs could then try to trade down or take the best player still available. And what if they consider Ryan to be that player? Chiefs coach Herm Edwards attended Ryan’s campus workout, and should have an educated opinion on whether he’s a superior prospect to incumbent Brodie Croyle. Ryan, 6 feet 5 and 224, gets positive reviews for his size, arm and ability to throw on the run. The Chiefs haven’t committed a first-round pick for a quarterback since they misfired with Penn State’s Todd Blackledge in 1983. Considering their long-term failure to develop a young passer, is it time now for them to finally take the plunge? Even if the Chiefs could draft Ryan, they’d have to wonder who’d be blocking for him. It makes no sense to commit a high pick to a quarterback if you can’t protect him, and the Chiefs stand three starters short of a decent line. When the Browns drafted Quinn, they’d already solidified their protection by taking Wisconsin tackle Joe Thomas with the third overall pick. Houston’s David Carr was a classic case of a highly drafted quarterback who received scant protection. The first overall pick in 2002, he was sacked 249 times during his first years as a Texan. Recently released by the Panthers, it’s tough to know whether Carr ever had the tools to win in the NFL. But it’s fair to say it was hard for him to develop while staring at the sky. If the Chiefs consider drafting Ryan, they need to be convinced he’s a “can’t-miss” prospect, project him as the opening-day starter and feel confident they can quickly rebuild their offensive line. The chances of Ryan being the real deal and getting enough protection to help the Chiefs progress this year appear remote. It would come as a surprise if they draft him. http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2008/04...f_ryans_there/
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