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Mr. Laz · 09-18-2008, 10:58 AM

TiVo fans rejoice: HD, MPEG-4 TiVo returning to DirecTV

By John Timmer | Published: September 03, 2008 - 08:50AM CT
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Ever since DirecTV decided to part ways with TiVo and roll its own DVR, fans of the pioneering TiVo have fervently hoped that the two service providers would reunite. While the companies have played nicely with one another since the split, providing a handful of modest feature improvements to DirecTV TiVo owners, there was no indication that DirecTV had any plans to embrace the TiVo platform once again. That has finally changed, as a new HD-capable TiVo for DirecTV customers will be launching in the second half of next year.
The two companies have had an on-again, off-again relationship. DirecTV initially offered its subscribers DVR hardware from TiVo, but then began distributing its own equipment, including the first HD-capable hardware. Two things appear to have changed that stance: new management at DirecTV and TiVo's winning streak in lawsuits against competing DVR makers.

We speculated in our earlier coverage that the companies' increased cooperation would ultimately lead to HD-capable TiVos being offered to the satellite subscribers. That day has now come to pass, as TiVo announced the new agreement this morning. The agreement isn't a slam-dunk for TiVo, though, as the satellite provider will continue to develop and market its own, competing equipment—even TiVo's announcement of the deal suggests that this equipment will be "primary offerings" for DirecTV subscribers.

Still, the new offering will ensure that TiVo has at least one more outlet for its hardware as the company eyes ways of getting its hardware into the homes of more users without shouldering the cost of advertising and sales. "This agreement demonstrates our continued embrace of mass distribution opportunities in cooperation with major multichannel operators," stated Tom Rogers, TiVo's CEO.

Unfortunately for TiVo fans that are itching for HD action, the hardware won't launch until the second half of 2009.

While this is great news for TiVo fans and DirecTV users, one wonders whether late 2009 will be too little too late. DirecTV's aggressive ramp-up of MPEG-4 HD programming has left owners of the original Hughes DirecTV TiVo with a scant handful of high-def options to choose from. As a result, many TiVo fans have moved on. In fact, all of the Hughes DirecTV TiVos at the Orbiting HQ have been replaced by DirecTV HD DVRs, and, while we miss the TiVo interface and some of the power-user features (dual-tuner channel surfing owns), the DirecTV DVR really isn't that bad. Such a statement may appear to be a case of damning with faint praise, but the reality is that those who have had a year or two to grow accustomed to DirecTV's homegrown DVR may prove reluctant to spend the money necessary to move back to TiVo.

Eric Bangeman contributed to this report.

**penguinz** · 09-18-2008, 11:01 AM

I hate DirectTV. I loose my signal when it rains. My DVR dies and they send me a refurb that is 3 years older than the one it is replacing and twice as thick.

Mr. Laz · 09-18-2008, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penguinz

I hate DirectTV. I loose my signal when it rains. My DVR dies and they send me a refurb that is 3 years older than the one it is replacing and twice as thick.

i lose my signal too

but i love my tivo

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-18-2008, 11:02 AM

I won't move back to Tivo if it requires a hardware change. I've got five Direct TV HD DVR's. I'm not dropping a grand so that I use a different version of software.

Ultra Peanut · 09-18-2008, 11:03 AM

FINALLY.

On the downside, it's another ****ing year away.

Mr. Laz · 09-18-2008, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I won't move back to Tivo if it requires a hardware change. I've got five Direct TV HD DVR's. I'm dropping a grand so that I use a different version of software.

nobody is gonna make you

Directv makes more money from people using their brand DVR units.

Shag · 09-18-2008, 11:06 AM

Nice - too bad they couldn't have done this before they phased out TiVo altogether. I really miss my TiVo, though - I don't like the DirecTV model nearly as much. I'll definitely take a look at these when they are released, though I wonder if they'll be priced in a way to really push people towards the DTV model...

Frosty · 09-18-2008, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

(dual-tuner channel surfing owns)

You can't do that with the DirecTV DVRs?

Man, I hope my R10 holds for another year.

Sure-Oz · 09-18-2008, 11:20 AM

Doesn't every dish related place lose tv when it rains? ive had dish and only lost it during heavy storms

Shag · 09-18-2008, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arc

You can't do that with the DirecTV DVRs?

Man, I hope my R10 holds for another year.

Nope, and it royally sucks. DirecTV has been made aware of the desire for the dual live buffer functionality, but they seem to have no interest in implementing it...

Mars72 · 09-18-2008, 11:25 AM

I love DirecTV. I tried DishNetwork for a year and hated it. The only time I lose my signal is during a heavy snow storm. You may want to check your signal strength to see if your dish is aimed for maximum reception.

Frosty · 09-18-2008, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shag

Nope, and it royally sucks. DirecTV has been made aware of the desire for the dual live buffer functionality, but they seem to have no interest in implementing it...

What if you are actively recording on both tuners? Can you just switch back and forth or do you have to go through the recording list?

**Donger** · 09-18-2008, 11:35 AM

My Dish Network HD DVR is rock-solid.

**Skip Towne** · 09-18-2008, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mars72

I love DirecTV. I tried DishNetwork for a year and hated it. The only time I lose my signal is during a heavy snow storm. You may want to check your signal strength to see if your dish is aimed for maximum reception.

This

**chasedude** · 09-18-2008, 12:18 PM

I've been thinking of moving from Cable soon for the HD channels since I just purchased an HDTV. I'm tossed up between Dish and DTV. I'm really having a problem making up on my mind hoping I don't end up with a lemon.

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