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Old 09-24-2008, 03:48 AM  
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Let's put all the QB talk right here
Seeing how all the draft threads turn into QB talk lets use this thread as the QB draft thread....I'll start by putting up some videos.
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Old 09-24-2008, 09:09 AM   #61
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The other thing here is I'm not sure how many of them had the number of starts Stafford will have after this year in 35, atleast the non redshirted guys, alot of them seem to have numbers like Leafs where they started 24 or in that range.
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Old 09-24-2008, 09:09 AM   #62
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I'm in on Stafford. He doesn't look as frail as Croyle.
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Old 09-24-2008, 09:11 AM   #63
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The other thing here is I'm not sure how many of them had the number of starts Stafford will have after this year in 35, atleast the non redshirted guys, alot of them seem to have numbers like Leafs where they started 24 or in that range.
Mecca, was it ourlads or some other service that did the QB analysis and came up with # of starts and completion % as being the two most important attributes in forecasting success in the NFL?
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Old 09-24-2008, 09:11 AM   #64
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I'm in on Stafford. He doesn't look as frail as Croyle.
That's because he's probably about 40lbs heavier.
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Old 09-24-2008, 09:13 AM   #65
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Steve McNair came out of the run and shoot, if I remember correctly, and the Oilers/Titans let him sit on the bench for a couple of years, giving him just a few meaningless snaps along the way.

He became a pretty good, albeit overrated, NFL QB.
He wasn't overrated, he was run into the ground like a HB by that "Genius" Fischer.

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I think Tim Tebow has the physical tools to be a good NFL QB, but he'll need a couple of years to develop.
And here I had you pegged as the BB realist/skeptic...
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Old 09-24-2008, 09:16 AM   #66
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Mecca, was it ourlads or some other service that did the QB analysis and came up with # of starts and completion % as being the two most important attributes in forecasting success in the NFL?
It's actually something they took from a thing called the Lewin projection system,The idea is hinged on the assumption that with sufficient game film, scouts can accurately determine weather or not a player has the capacity to be an early round pick. So games started becomes a big factor. Players who start relatively few games tend to have their stock skewed upwards because the scouts haven't seen as much on them, so they get sold on "Upside". This along with completion percentage goes into the projection.

The result is a system that accurately predicted that Peyton Manning would be great, and that Ryan Leaf would be a failure. It's been pretty accurate for the most part.

If you pull up freshman and sophomore stats Stafford's are pretty right in line with Jay Cutler and Carson Palmer.
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Old 09-24-2008, 09:17 AM   #67
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He wasn't overrated, he was run into the ground like a HB by that "Genius" Fischer.



And here I had you pegged as the BB realist/skeptic...
LOL in fairness here, Tebow has a strong arm, a huge body and great height, and very good mobility. He just needs to have his throwing mechanics completely changed and be given time to learn to play in a pro style system.

He's a long term project but he does have a ton of natural ability.
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Old 09-24-2008, 09:18 AM   #68
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I hope Georgia takes care of our QBoTF. Count me in on the Stafford bandwagon
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Old 09-24-2008, 09:19 AM   #69
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LOL in fairness here, Tebow has a strong arm, a huge body and great height, and very good mobility. He just needs to have his throwing mechanics completely changed and be given time to learn to play in a pro style system.

He's a long term project but he does have a ton of natural ability.
You could say the same things about Chase Daniel, except he has a more natural throwing motion.
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He wasn't overrated, he was run into the ground like a HB by that "Genius" Fischer.
Matter of opinion.

He had a couple of big years, and the rest of his career could be best described as productive, but watching him, I just never thought he was anything to write home about.



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He's 6'3" and about 230 lbs, with a decent arm.

I wouldn't draft him, but he does have the tools.
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Old 09-24-2008, 09:22 AM   #71
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You could say the same things about Chase Daniel, except he has a more natural throwing motion.
Actually no, no amount of coaching can make Chase Daniel grow 4-6 inches.

If he was 6'3 or 6'4 he'd be talked about as a top 10 pick...of course if he was that tall he may not have ended up at Missouri or as a 3 star recruit either....but the fact remains no matter how good he is no amount of coaching can change that he's to short.
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Old 09-24-2008, 09:23 AM   #72
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Actually no, no amount of coaching can make Chase Daniel grow 4-6 inches.
Height is overrated. Just give me a guy who can play.
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You could say the same things about Chase Daniel, except he has a more natural throwing motion.
And except for that whole midget thing.
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We've been over this before: The biggest stat that correlates with NFL success is completion percentage.

This year, Sam Bradford has completed 79% of his passes, including against a tough Cinci D. Further, we will get to see him against: Kansas, Texas Tech, Texas, TCU and likely Missouri (Big 12 Championship). Other notable teams: K-State, A&M, and Oklahoma State.

The big knock on Bradford to date has been his arm strength and velocity. However, he has actually improved over the last year in that regard. He will probably never be a gunslinger, like a Stafford. But he can put the ball 50-60 yards down the field with perfect accuracy.

Also, since that second video that has you so concerned mecca, he has put on 8-10 pounds. That was just over a year ago.

For those that are comparing Stafford to Palmer: Stafford isn't even close to as accurate. That is my really big knock on him. Nearly every time Stafford throws the ball, you know his receiver is going to have to adjust to it and won't get any YAC. I would much rather have someone with the pinpoint accuracy Bradford is displaying than a gunslinger.

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