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Old 10-05-2008, 09:41 PM  
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Old 10-06-2008, 10:35 AM   #31
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I just had to go back and look....i guess this is the game in question...

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...8610120cle.htm
wow... well at least the Chiefs scored some points in that contest.
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Old 10-06-2008, 10:39 AM   #32
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wow... well at least the Chiefs scored some points in that contest.
well, that team was 3-3 at the time.
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Old 10-06-2008, 10:51 AM   #33
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This is a great opportunity for legitimate Herm bashing, but your statement is pure horseshit. As inept as he is right now, Herm didn't destroy the offense. It was bound to fall no matter who was coaching. Herm deserves to be roasted, but definitely not for this....
I disagree. I'm not implying the offense would have remained a juggernaut, but there is no question, that Herm CHANGED the offensive philosophy. Let's also not forget that Herm, himself, IMPLIED the same thing. Don't you remember all the "offense will remain the same" bullshit he spouted went he first got here. Clearly it wasn't and one, Mr. Solari took the fall for HERM'S conservative and neutered approach, now look at Gailey's IDENTICAL APPROACH, same conservative, PREDICTABLE approach.


Don't confuse changing offensive philosophy with offensive player personel changing. Argueing about the effectiveness of the offense with the loss of Roaf and Shields, etc.. is an entirely different argument and one that I can see coming into the discussion, but I think you'll find it impossible to argue against what is being said, because I'm using HERM as the source that STATED, he DID NOT NEED TO CHANGE the OFFENSE.
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Old 10-06-2008, 10:54 AM   #34
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This is a great opportunity for legitimate Herm bashing, but your statement is pure horseshit. As inept as he is right now, Herm didn't destroy the offense. It was bound to fall no matter who was coaching. Herm deserves to be roasted, but definitely not for this....
Exactly, That falls at the feet of CP the other half of the idiot tandem that needs to go. He let the O-line get old without addressing it. I guess he thought Shields and Roaf could play great well into their 40's.
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Old 10-06-2008, 10:56 AM   #35
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Actually, I thought the Oakland game was the joke. Does a shut out top QB roullette (sp?)?
Against a bitter rival...good point. I don't know which was worse...
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Old 10-06-2008, 11:19 AM   #36
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Old 10-06-2008, 11:24 AM   #37
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Herm killed the offense. Yeah, it was going to slide a bit, but it didn't need to bottom out like Amy Winehouse on crack.
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Old 10-06-2008, 11:25 AM   #38
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Herm killed the offense. Yeah, it was going to slide a bit, but it didn't need to bottom out like Amy Winehouse on crack.
It's like there's some DV/Herm matter and antimatter...
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Old 10-06-2008, 11:28 AM   #39
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I disagree. I'm not implying the offense would have remained a juggernaut, but there is no question, that Herm CHANGED the offensive philosophy. Let's also not forget that Herm, himself, IMPLIED the same thing. Don't you remember all the "offense will remain the same" bullshit he spouted went he first got here. Clearly it wasn't and one, Mr. Solari took the fall for HERM'S conservative and neutered approach, now look at Gailey's IDENTICAL APPROACH, same conservative, PREDICTABLE approach.


Don't confuse changing offensive philosophy with offensive player personel changing. Argueing about the effectiveness of the offense with the loss of Roaf and Shields, etc.. is an entirely different argument and one that I can see coming into the discussion, but I think you'll find it impossible to argue against what is being said, because I'm using HERM as the source that STATED, he DID NOT NEED TO CHANGE the OFFENSE.
You can't separate the offensive philosophy from the player personnel. It doesn't work that way. You can't implement an offensive philosophy, even a very successful offensive philosophy, without the correct player personnel to run it. If you want proof of this, simply look at Jesus Saunders' handiwork after he left here. Without the right personnel, the best offensive philosophy in the world will fail.

They made an attempt to run the same style of offense. But they couldn't because we had no decent talent waiting after Roaf and Shields left. You can't coach up reeruns like Kyle Turley and Chris Terry, and expect the same results as Willie Roaf and Will Shields.

Remember, Solari is the one that coached Roaf and Shields. But for some reason, the offensive line fell apart after those 2 left. Even though Solari was still here.
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DeAngelo Williams had more yards than the Chiefs' total net offense?

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I believe so. Looking at the espn box score...

Williams 148
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Old 10-06-2008, 01:24 PM   #41
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It's like there's some DV/Herm matter and antimatter...
It has been about Herm's ego since the day he arrived.
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Old 10-06-2008, 01:31 PM   #42
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thats a far cry from the 590 yards of offense we put up against the colts back in 04. Kinda miss those days..
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Old 10-06-2008, 04:20 PM   #43
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The sad thing is that it's not 'rock bottom'... it's been going on since he's been here. That's one game per season with about 125 yards of offense each.

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@Carolina, 34-0
Yards -- 127 (was 92 with 2:00 left) to 441
First Downs -- 6 to 20
ToP -- 18 to 38

@Denver 12/9/07, 41-7
Yards -- 129 to 453
First Downs -- 7 to 23
ToP -- 25 to 35

@Colts 1/6/07, 23-8
Yards -- 126 to 435
First Downs -- 7 to 28
ToP -- 20 to 40


(we had over 200 yards vs. the Steelers in '06 and 190 against Oakland a few weeks ago)
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Old 10-06-2008, 04:51 PM   #44
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The sad thing is that it's not 'rock bottom'... it's been going on since he's been here. That's one game per season with about 125 yards of offense each.
at least he is consistent......wonder about when he was with the jets?
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The offense needs to help out the defense. They do that by getting off the field quickly, allowing the defense more reps.
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