Chiefs Would the Chiefs beat Texas? - Page 2

Hootie · 10-20-2008, 10:18 AM

This should usually be an obvious answer...as Texas will probably have 10-15 players that currently play (whether they are freshmen, sophomores, juniors or seniors) drafted...so obviously KC will be the more talented team.

But with Thigpen at QB, and our coaching staff, would we be able to gameplan to beat Texas?

If so, how much do we win by?

This would be much more interesting than what we usually get on Sundays...

Hootie · 10-20-2008, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by RJ

Is Texas on our schedule? What week do we play them?

Well if we'd really win by 91, I wish they were...it would be nice to see us actually execute something every once in a while on offense...other than a miracle catch in triple coverage.

**Gonzo** · 10-20-2008, 10:36 AM

Stupid thread. Texas could not beat the Lions. You're talking about a team which has the potential of having about 25-35% of their players actually playing in the NFL vs. a team that has players on it that were all good enough, (except Thigpen) to be signed to an NFL team. All be it a shitty one, your still talking about the best players in the country.

InChiefsHeaven · 10-20-2008, 10:37 AM

This is a stupid question. The NFL is made up of the best of the best athletes in the world...not many Rookies light the world on fire their first year in the NFL...now imagine an NFL team coming in to play any college team...experience, speed, complexity...advantage NFL...

...it wouldn't even be close. Chiefs would annihilate any college team.

...it's a stupid question.

beach tribe · 10-20-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

FFS.

The Chiefs could run their reerun offense and would rack up 500 yards on the ground against Texas.

It's pretty simple.

Run your base cover 2. The Chiefs front four would apply constant pressure to McCoy...literally every time he dropped back to pass he'd be running for his life. They would have no running lanes, and the Chiefs defense would have considerably more speed from sideline to sideline.

You can sucker McCoy into throwing to what appears to be an open receiver and jump every route, or use the corner's closing speed to contest or pick nearly every throw.

On offense you can just run between the tackles and annihilate them. If you want to get fancy, just have Thigpen throw it as far as he can and watch Bowe, Darling, Franklin, or whomever run by their secondary.

If the Chiefs played whistle to whistle, it would probably be something on the order of 91-0.

Although I believe we would win by a wide margin, if this post were true, then Bowe, Franklin, and Darling(serioiusly Darling?) would have been completely unstoppable in College. I don't know who Darling's QB was but, But the other two had QB's better than Thiggy in college. Abert is 1 year removed from college at a different position, and I'm not sure A. Jones, and Nicewonger would dominate the way you think.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-20-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Lets focus on just the offense then...

Other than Bowe, Gonzalez and LJ...we have a bunch of project players and late round picks playing offense for us...

Would the Tyler Thigpen lead Chiefs offense with Herm & Co. at the helm with a typical BCS college defense win a National Championship? Would they be unstoppable?

I have my doubts. I think they'd be fine as long as they consistently handed the ball to LJ...but if they try to air it out I think Thigpen would **** up at a consistent rate just like he does now.

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You do realize that guys like Darling, Franklin, and Webb can just run by that entire secondary, and that their CBs would be shucked off like flies if they tried to tackle Bowe 1 on 1?

The offensive line of Kansas City would just annihilate their D-Line...annihilate.

You are seriously talking about a 5A state champion team playing a 1A state championship team.

Thigpen would literally have all day to throw every play.

There almost isn't a proper way to quantify how big of a leap there is in quality from College to the NFL.

|Zach| · 10-20-2008, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Lets focus on just the offense then...

Other than Bowe, Gonzalez and LJ...we have a bunch of project players and late round picks playing offense for us...

Would the Tyler Thigpen lead Chiefs offense with Herm & Co. at the helm with a typical BCS college defense win a National Championship? Would they be unstoppable?

I have my doubts. I think they'd be fine as long as they consistently handed the ball to LJ...but if they try to air it out I think Thigpen would **** up at a consistent rate just like he does now.

And you would be wrong.

NFL project players with experience against NFL players > High level college players

Hootie · 10-20-2008, 10:39 AM

So an offense consisting of...

QB: Thigpen
RB: Smith
RB2: Charles
FB: Cox
WR: Bowe
WR2: Darling
WR3: Webb
WR4: Franklin
TE: Cottam
LT: Albert
LG: Waters
C: Niswanger
RG: Jones
RT: McIntosh

That would put up a 100 a game? I left out LJ and Tony Gonzalez to make it somewhat realistic...

I'm just wondering if Chan Gailey turns that offense into a juggernaut/can't lose/100 points per game/unfair to the rest of college football type offense...because that would surprise me since outside of Bowe and Albert it consists of a bunch of 3rd-7th round caliber players.

**Saulbadguy** · 10-20-2008, 10:40 AM

The problem is 3/4 of Texas roster will not play a down in the NFL, and that is being conservative IMO.

The Chiefs roster is filled with players who were DRAFTED from the NFL, and they were drafted because of size, speed, etc.

beach tribe · 10-20-2008, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

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You do realize that guys like Darling, Franklin, and Webb can just run by that entire secondary, and that their CBs would be shucked off like flies if they tried to tackle Bowe 1 on 1?

The offensive line of Kansas City would just annihilate their D-Line...annihilate.

You are seriously talking about a 5A state champion team playing a 1A state championship team.

Thigpen would literally have all day to throw every play.

There almost isn't a proper way to quantify how big of a leap there is in quality from College to the NFL.

I agree we would destroy them, but it's more like a 1a state championship team against, a 5A 2-9 team.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-20-2008, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Although I believe we would win by a wide margin, if this post were true, then Bowe, Franklin, and Darling(serioiusly Darling?) would have been completely unstoppable in College. I don't know who Darling's QB was but, But the other two had QB's better than Thiggy in college. Abert is 1 year removed from college at a different position, and I'm not sure A. Jones, and Nicewonger would dominate the way you think.

You know why Mizzou didn't just have Franklin run deep every play? Because the line couldn't protect long enough and Daniel's arm wasn't strong enough to get it to him.

Texas would lay their corners literally 10 yards off the line of scrimmage on every play.

Even Tony is going to be about as fast as their safeties, and a guy like Cottam would just eat them up over the middle.

That's not to mention the fact that no one could run with Charles, and Brian Waters could cave in half their D-Line by himself.

This argument is so stupid it's just offensive.

**Saulbadguy** · 10-20-2008, 10:41 AM

In 1925 the NFL Pottsville Maroons played a team made up of the Notre Dame All Stars and won 9-7. This Notre Dame team included the "Four Horseman", and the NFL was widely regarded as a joke.

Hootie · 10-20-2008, 10:41 AM

No I get what you're saying...

But is the offense I just posted really better than the USC offense that featured Matt Leinart/Reggie Bush/LenDale White/Dwayne Jarrett/Steve Smith and a bunch of NFL caliber lineman?

I'm saying...I think a lot of coaching staffs in college football could come up with a much better gameplan than Herm Edwards.

Put that USC offense against the KC offense I posted with similar defenses and does Herm Edwards really beat Pete Carrol?

Molitoth · 10-20-2008, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

This is a stupid question. The NFL is made up of the best of the best athletes in the world...not many Rookies light the world on fire their first year in the NFL...now imagine an NFL team coming in to play any college team...experience, speed, complexity...advantage NFL...

...it wouldn't even be close. Chiefs would annihilate any college team.

...it's a stupid question.

You overestimate Herm's coaching.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-20-2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

So an offense consisting of...

QB: Thigpen
RB: Smith
RB2: Charles
FB: Cox
WR: Bowe
WR2: Darling
WR3: Webb
WR4: Franklin
TE: Cottam
LT: Albert
LG: Waters
C: Niswanger
RG: Jones
RT: McIntosh

That would put up a 100 a game? I left out LJ and Tony Gonzalez to make it somewhat realistic...

I'm just wondering if Chan Gailey turns that offense into a juggernaut/can't lose/100 points per game/unfair to the rest of college football type offense...because that would surprise me since outside of Bowe and Albert it consists of a bunch of 3rd-7th round caliber players.

You just don't understand the difference in speed and size between college and the NFL. That's not to mention execution.

They would put up a 100 every game easily. Easily.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-20-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

No I get what you're saying...

But is the offense I just posted really better than the USC offense that featured Matt Leinart/Reggie Bush/LenDale White/Dwayne Jarrett/Steve Smith and a bunch of NFL caliber lineman?

I'm saying...I think a lot of coaching staffs in college football could come up with a much better gameplan than Herm Edwards.

Put that USC offense against the KC offense I posted with similar defenses and does Herm Edwards really beat Pete Carrol?

Yes, and it's not close.

Lest we forget that Pete Carrol failed miserably twice in the NFL, and even as great as those USC, or past Miami teams are, very few of those players make it in the NFL.

USC would be lucky to score 3 points against the Chiefs defense.

10-20-2008, 10:18 AM
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10-20-2008, 10:39 AM	#22
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	So an offense consisting of... QB: Thigpen RB: Smith RB2: Charles FB: Cox WR: Bowe WR2: Darling WR3: Webb WR4: Franklin TE: Cottam LT: Albert LG: Waters C: Niswanger RG: Jones RT: McIntosh That would put up a 100 a game? I left out LJ and Tony Gonzalez to make it somewhat realistic... I'm just wondering if Chan Gailey turns that offense into a juggernaut/can't lose/100 points per game/unfair to the rest of college football type offense...because that would surprise me since outside of Bowe and Albert it consists of a bunch of 3rd-7th round caliber players.
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10-20-2008, 10:40 AM	#23
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $736966	The problem is 3/4 of Texas roster will not play a down in the NFL, and that is being conservative IMO. The Chiefs roster is filled with players who were DRAFTED from the NFL, and they were drafted because of size, speed, etc.
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10-20-2008, 10:41 AM	#26
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $736966	In 1925 the NFL Pottsville Maroons played a team made up of the Notre Dame All Stars and won 9-7. This Notre Dame team included the "Four Horseman", and the NFL was widely regarded as a joke.
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