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Old 11-16-2008, 03:31 PM  
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Biggest 10 needs in '09
1. RDE (no pass rush whatsoever)
2. RT (McIntsuck gives it up at least 3/4 times every game)
3. MLB (wanna buy someone who can tackle!!)
4. LDE (Hali should be a backup)
5. OLB (wanna buy someone who can tackle)
6. QB (thiggy looks good but ....... )
7. Center (Niswanger just can't seem to get any push at all)
8. CB (Flowers is hasty,Carr is a viable nickle, we need an athletic #1 guy)
9. Safety (Morgan? McGraw? geesh ... we need a stud back there)
10. RG/DT a tie ... we still need more talent in our interior lines


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Old 11-16-2008, 06:26 PM   #151
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Eh, the right side of the O-Line is one of the worst part on this team, but it's not as bad as the whole D-Line or LB's are. I mean, six sacks for this season.

How pathetic is that?
We just dont have a staff that can evaluate talent well enough...

we have 4 day one picks on that DL and it still sucks ass....
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Old 11-16-2008, 06:55 PM   #152
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We just dont have a staff that can evaluate talent well enough...

we have 4 day one picks on that DL and it still sucks ass....
I don't think it's about the ability to evaluate talent as much as it is about this team trying to rebuild an entire ship with scrap wood.

The Chiefs have some good d-linemen. But they lack playmakers. i truly believe that if Allen was on this team with Dorsey and Tyler in the middle, and Turk and Hali rotating at LDE, the line would actually be solid.
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Old 11-16-2008, 06:57 PM   #153
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We just dont have a staff that can evaluate talent well enough...

we have 4 day one picks on that DL and it still sucks ass....
I think it's still too early to call those picks wasted, or busts, or whatever you may think they are.
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Old 11-16-2008, 06:59 PM   #154
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I think it's still too early to call those picks wasted, or busts, or whatever you may think they are.
Hali is a bust. Period.
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Old 11-16-2008, 07:03 PM   #155
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Hali is a bust. Period.
I won't argue that.

I've been bitching about him all season.

But Tank, Turk, and certainly Dorsey, too early to call.
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Old 11-16-2008, 07:05 PM   #156
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Hali is a bust. Period.
That draft isn't looking very good.
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Hali is a bust. Period.
I think bust is too strong a word. Reach, yes. I've always viewed busts as players we would never draft period. I think if we could have a re-do, we wouldn't draft Hali in the first, but we'd gladly draft him in the second.
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That draft isn't looking very good.
Yup. Not a very good draft.
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I think bust is too strong a word. Reach, yes. I've always viewed busts as players we would never draft period. I think if we could have a re-do, we wouldn't draft Hali in the first, but we'd gladly draft him in the second.
In that draft, Hali and Mathias Kiwanuka were rated fairly closely, with Hali rated just slightly higher.

The way they have progressed respectively is really just another indictment of the Chiefs coaching, IMO.
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I think bust is too strong a word. Reach, yes. I've always viewed busts as players we would never draft period. I think if we could have a re-do, we wouldn't draft Hali in the first, but we'd gladly draft him in the second.
In hindsight, we should have drafted DeMeco Ryans in the first and Youboty in the second. Ironically, I was clamoring for Youboty...

And the 2006 draft class was every bit as bad as some of Vermeil's drafts.

Hali-bust
Pollard-disappointment
Croyle-broke ass
Herm-LAWL
Maxey-Worthless
Stallings-Worthless
Webb-Worthless
Page-Good pick for a 7th rounder, but not a starter, IMO.
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In that draft, Hali and Mathias Kiwanuka were rated fairly closely, with Hali rated just slightly higher.

The way they have progressed respectively is really just another indictment of the Chiefs coaching, IMO.
I don't think so. I knew years ago that Hali's upside was limited. He was never fast off the edges, just had a good first step. And he had incredibly short arms. It was an embarrassment that any coach that he would fare well as a RDE.

I was never a big fan of the Hali pick. Actually, I didn't like the Pollard pick either, though right now, I don't think it was a complete whiff. I think our drafting has improved quite a bit since 2006, thank god.
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I don't think so. I knew years ago that Hali's upside was limited. He was never fast off the edges, just had a good first step. And he had incredibly short arms. It was an embarrassment that any coach that he would fare well as a RDE.

I was never a big fan of the Hali pick. Actually, I didn't like the Pollard pick either, though right now, I don't think it was a complete whiff. I think our drafting has improved quite a bit since 2006, thank god.
No, I get that.

It was pretty well established that Hali had pretty much reached his ceiling, where the coaching has failed is that Hali has regressed.

He was much better as a rookie than he is now, and while that can be attributed, in part, to injuries, it also can be blamed on coaching.

He does the one thing that you can always count on from ****her defenders.

He sucks at tackling.

As a rookie, he was a solid tackler.
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