Chiefs Take a QB in the 1st round next year? - Page 9

Alphaman · 12-22-2008, 11:20 AM

Said Dolphins LB Akin Ayodele of Thigpen, who finished with 320 yards passing, “I like him. He’s an athletic quarterback. Brodie Croyle is going to watch his back next year. There’s going to be a battle for the starting position.”

When the opposition starts to give your young QB props, you have to a moment to really consider if you need to look for his replacement. I'd really try to get Rich Gannon to come in this offseason as a consultant and work with Thigpen for a few weeks. I'd ask him to go over film and work with him on the field to work through the nuances of the game, particularly executing the boot which Thigpen hasn't mastered yet.

tyton75 · 12-23-2008, 12:56 PM

I'm having a real problem here. Lets say we get the 2nd pick and no one will likely want to trade up to get that pick..

WTF do we take??

or what position? with that high of a pick, its got to be an impact guy, and I can't imagine we'll go DT or OT with a pick that high.. so what position would we take!?

BigCatDaddy · 12-23-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

I would not move Albert under any circumstances at all. I mean, goddamn, he literally dominated Joey Porter. It seemed like Porter never showed up.

And honestly, I can remember at least 3 sacks that he may have given up during his time here (There could be more, but I'm just basing it off of my head). That's pretty damn impressive for a rookie. And on top of that, he did miss all or at least the majority of training camp.

So, that being said, I would not move Albert under any circumstances at all.

I've been around and around on this board several times regarding this. It's not the ideal situation. It just depends on how highly you value Smith compared to who else is sitting there when you draft. Would I love to see the next Peppers there when we draft, sure, but it doesn't look like that is the case right now. I would rather have the sure thing at LT, then reach for a defensive guy.

tyton75 · 12-23-2008, 01:01 PM

I really really am starting to hope that we can find a trade partner to trade down the draft for more picks...

I'm assuming Detroit will have to take the best QB available... and if we aren't sold on the next best.. wtf do we take?

is Orakpo that big of a reach? you never take a MLB that high, but Maulauga would be nice in the mid of the defense..

too many spots to fill

BigCatDaddy · 12-23-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tyton75

I'm having a real problem here. Lets say we get the 2nd pick and no one will likely want to trade up to get that pick..

WTF do we take??

or what position? with that high of a pick, its got to be an impact guy, and I can't imagine we'll go DT or OT with a pick that high.. so what position would we take!?

I wouldn't rule any position out, except maybe RB. I think think with so many holes you take the best player available.

tyton75 · 12-23-2008, 01:26 PM

BPA even if the BPA is an OT? or WR?

I agree with BPA as a good measure for most of the draft.. but I agree with most of the board that an OT or Crabtree would be a waste that high when its one of the few positions we don't NEED desperately

but I can't think of any other players that would be a high enough value at the 2nd pick

BigCatDaddy · 12-23-2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tyton75

BPA even if the BPA is an OT? or WR?

I agree with BPA as a good measure for most of the draft.. but I agree with most of the board that an OT or Crabtree would be a waste that high when its one of the few positions we don't NEED desperately

but I can't think of any other players that would be a high enough value at the 2nd pick

You hear the names and see the early rankings, but after the combine you will see different names at the top of the draft rankings. There might be someone there worthy of taking at a postion we need. It really doesn't hurt to have 2 ProBowl Tackles, or 2 Pro-Bowl WR's though. You would then have a major strength on your team. It also depends on what happens in free agency. It's just too early to predict a player, although if 1 QB slips I think you have to pencil him in.

**DeezNutz** · 12-23-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tyton75

BPA even if the BPA is an OT? or WR?

I agree with BPA as a good measure for most of the draft.. but I agree with most of the board that an OT or Crabtree would be a waste that high when its one of the few positions we don't NEED desperately

but I can't think of any other players that would be a high enough value at the 2nd pick

Yes.

I wouldn't consider the following positions in the top 5: guard, center, fullback, kicker, punter.

Conveniently (?WTF?), we need everything else, some more than others.

Solution: draft the individual that you think is the elite talent with the most upside. If that's a T, cool. A WR, cool. A DB, cool. A QB, cool (and ideally the best option). A D-lineman, cool. A RB (not going to happen in this year's draft), cool, I suppose, though this is by far my least favorite. AP is pretty darn good, though.

**MahiMike** · 12-23-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Look I understand at times positional value can be overrated but if the guy was a OT worth a top 5 pick guess what...he's a LT.

If you don't like the DE's please pick another position, you'd be better off with Taylor Mays than taking a RT.

I disagree.

I'd go top 5 pick on any OLman worthy of the rank. I'd argue that the interior guys are worth more on a good running team. They do most of the work for the RBs. The tackles are more for passing. Depends on your needs. You can bet that Titans and Giants think their guys are top 5 worthy.

kcxiv · 12-23-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

OWNED

haha, SO shocked a guy like Mecca didnt do research on that before he posted. Mecca is slippin!

kcxiv · 12-23-2008, 02:05 PM

32nd ranked defense. Worst Defensive line in the History of the NFL. Cant stop anyone. Gives every team they play a careeer day, and we went to draft offense.

DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE!

BigCatDaddy · 12-23-2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

32nd ranked defense. Worst Defensive line in the History of the NFL. Cant stop anyone. Gives every team they play a careeer day, and we went to draft offense.

DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE!

Our defense is loaded with high picks and they still suck. You gotta take BPA at a value worthy position.

kcxiv · 12-23-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Our defense is loaded with high picks and they still suck. You gotta take BPA at a value worthy position.

Well, according to some this Orakpo or whatever guy is going to be pretty damned good. I am all with that. Even if we dont pick him, there isnt another QB to take with the 2nd or 3rd pick. I dont believe Stafford is going to be there.

Braincase · 12-23-2008, 02:48 PM

We have so many more needs in so many areas. The offense isn't really the proble. We need a better pass rush - that is the one thing that will improve the play of our secondary. Hali isn't a bad second choice, but we need a franchise DE, and I'm convinced Orakpo is the guy we need. Take the best OL/LB available in the second round. Grab Chase Daniel in the 3rd (I think he'll still be there, and in as much as I'm a Jayhawk, he's a helluva competitor).

All of this speculation is pretty premature until we see if the Chiefs make any moves in the offseason going after free agents. For all I know, Herm gets canned and the new GM and Coach become serious players during the free agency period. I have my doubts, as everything Clark seems to be saying reinforces my belief that Clark is going to keep Herm around for another year.

tyton75 · 12-23-2008, 03:39 PM

I would love to have Orakpo,, but I'm just thinking its a stretch with the 2nd or 3rd pick; its not like he's Julius Peppers

what I would really like us to get is a freaking leader on Defense.. can't say I care what the position is. we have NO leadership on D

Chiefnj2 · 12-23-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Braincase

We have so many more needs in so many areas. The offense isn't really the proble. We need a better pass rush - that is the one thing that will improve the play of our secondary. Hali isn't a bad second choice, but we need a franchise DE, and I'm convinced Orakpo is the guy we need. Take the best OL/LB available in the second round. Grab Chase Daniel in the 3rd (I think he'll still be there, and in as much as I'm a Jayhawk, he's a helluva competitor).

All of this speculation is pretty premature until we see if the Chiefs make any moves in the offseason going after free agents. For all I know, Herm gets canned and the new GM and Coach become serious players during the free agency period. I have my doubts, as everything Clark seems to be saying reinforces my belief that Clark is going to keep Herm around for another year.

The offense may still be a big problem. Can we run out of a pro set? Can we pass block out of it?

12-22-2008, 11:20 AM
Alphaman Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Austin, TX, USA Casino cash: $10004900	Take a QB in the 1st round next year? Said Dolphins LB Akin Ayodele of Thigpen, who finished with 320 yards passing, “I like him. He’s an athletic quarterback. Brodie Croyle is going to watch his back next year. There’s going to be a battle for the starting position.” When the opposition starts to give your young QB props, you have to a moment to really consider if you need to look for his replacement. I'd really try to get Rich Gannon to come in this offseason as a consultant and work with Thigpen for a few weeks. I'd ask him to go over film and work with him on the field to work through the nuances of the game, particularly executing the boot which Thigpen hasn't mastered yet.
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12-23-2008, 12:56 PM	#121
tyton75 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: KC North Casino cash: $3738386	I'm having a real problem here. Lets say we get the 2nd pick and no one will likely want to trade up to get that pick.. WTF do we take?? or what position? with that high of a pick, its got to be an impact guy, and I can't imagine we'll go DT or OT with a pick that high.. so what position would we take!? __________________
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12-23-2008, 01:01 PM	#123
tyton75 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: KC North Casino cash: $3738386	I really really am starting to hope that we can find a trade partner to trade down the draft for more picks... I'm assuming Detroit will have to take the best QB available... and if we aren't sold on the next best.. wtf do we take? is Orakpo that big of a reach? you never take a MLB that high, but Maulauga would be nice in the mid of the defense.. too many spots to fill __________________
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12-23-2008, 01:26 PM	#125
tyton75 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: KC North Casino cash: $3738386	BPA even if the BPA is an OT? or WR? I agree with BPA as a good measure for most of the draft.. but I agree with most of the board that an OT or Crabtree would be a waste that high when its one of the few positions we don't NEED desperately but I can't think of any other players that would be a high enough value at the 2nd pick __________________
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12-23-2008, 02:05 PM	#130
kcxiv In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Central Valley, Cali Casino cash: $8697996	32nd ranked defense. Worst Defensive line in the History of the NFL. Cant stop anyone. Gives every team they play a careeer day, and we went to draft offense. DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE!
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12-23-2008, 02:48 PM	#133
Braincase Banned Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Pond> Me <Barn Casino cash: $11298284	We have so many more needs in so many areas. The offense isn't really the proble. We need a better pass rush - that is the one thing that will improve the play of our secondary. Hali isn't a bad second choice, but we need a franchise DE, and I'm convinced Orakpo is the guy we need. Take the best OL/LB available in the second round. Grab Chase Daniel in the 3rd (I think he'll still be there, and in as much as I'm a Jayhawk, he's a helluva competitor). All of this speculation is pretty premature until we see if the Chiefs make any moves in the offseason going after free agents. For all I know, Herm gets canned and the new GM and Coach become serious players during the free agency period. I have my doubts, as everything Clark seems to be saying reinforces my belief that Clark is going to keep Herm around for another year. __________________ BrainCase
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12-23-2008, 03:39 PM	#134
tyton75 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: KC North Casino cash: $3738386	I would love to have Orakpo,, but I'm just thinking its a stretch with the 2nd or 3rd pick; its not like he's Julius Peppers what I would really like us to get is a freaking leader on Defense.. can't say I care what the position is. we have NO leadership on D __________________
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