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Old 01-08-2009, 10:07 PM  
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Bradford Please

I don't think he's coming out, but he's my choice in the QB dice-roll.
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Old 01-09-2009, 11:31 AM   #181
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In the right situation, Tebow might someday be a productive QB in the NFL.

If my team already had their franchise QB, and had the draft pick to burn, I'd love to have Tebow as my 2nd string QB. Give him a few years to develop QBing skills, and in the meantime you have a guy that can come in on select packages, and would be a nightmare for defenses in the short term role of spelling your injured starting QB.

The guy has everything that makes a pro athlete. That being said, he's nowhere close to being a pro QB.
This. I'm not a fan of Tebow, to be sure. But, I'd be cool with this.
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Old 01-09-2009, 11:37 AM   #182
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Things I like about Bradford:

1) Accuracy. When given time to throw, he is going to deliver the ball, and deliver it where his receivers can catch it easily. When rushed, he still puts the ball where his receiver has the best chance to get it.

2) Touch. Bradford can drop second-level throws into extremely tight windows. Best example of this was a throw last night where he fit about a 12-yard out into a postage-stamp sized area between a dropping LB and the corner for a completion. That's a throw a lot of NFL quarterbacks don't have in their arsenal... and I have seen Bradford do it consistently over the past few years.

3) Athleticism. Bradford is a good athlete with quick feet and runs very well. He has the speed to be an effective bootleg QB.

4) Footwork. Because of those quick feet, Bradford does a great job of using proper footwork, planting and throwing, and he's able to exhibit proper footwork in situations most QBs can't. This is one of the reasons he's so accurate, both when he has time and when is rolling out or on the move.

Things to knock:

1) Bradford hasn't had to do a bunch of checking down himself. All indications are that he is a bright kid, but it will take some time for him to get used to doing this himself.

2) His arm strength- while better than some give it credit for - is not elite. It's likely to improve some as he gets older and a little thicker (he's carrying what, 205 pounds on a 6-4 frame?), but it never is going to be jaw-dropping.
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Old 01-09-2009, 11:39 AM   #183
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Tebow is my type of player. Fire in his belly with alot of desire. It doesn't appear that he'd have many off the field problems either.

Detroit should pick him. That town is desperate for something to get excited about.

I would not mind seeing Tebow under center in KC. He's gritty and isn't made of glass like Brody Croyle.

I still wanted OU to win...but I was happy for Tebow. I'm also glad he doesn't have that
"THUG" mentality and style.

I still don't know if we need to pick a QB with our 1st pick. If Tebow is available I'd love to get him, but only if its him. I would like to see Thigpen receive another shot.
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Old 01-09-2009, 11:42 AM   #184
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Maybe we can get a really good QB like Mark Sanchez in the 2nd, pick up another draft pick in an LJ trade and get a playmaker like Orakpo, Curry, Maulauga, or Crabtree with our first round pick. Bring in Rich Gannon as a QB coach and let him tutor Thigpen, bring in another FA QB but don't use the highest pick we've had on a position we already have potential in. Sorry if this is a duplicate opinion...i'm new here and am still figuring this out.
Dude.

NO team is going to trade a 1st round pick for a near 30 year-old RB, let alone a RB with a history of off the field altercations (and one still pending).

Secondly, if Sanchez were to find out via scouts and advisers that he'd last into the 2nd round (which would NEVER happen anyway), he'd stay another year at USC.

Third, Rich Gannon (or any other multi-millionaire former NFL player) is NEVER going to put in 80 hours a week to earn 200k per year. Especially someone like Rich Gannon, who makes somewhere around $2 million per year broadcasting NFL games for CBS.
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Old 01-09-2009, 11:56 AM   #185
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I personally find Tebow's act tiresome. He's pretty cheesy, and his "promises" at the press conference following the Ole Miss loss were so overplayed I wanted to shoot myself (which was made worse by how cheesy and "motivational" they were).

I think his act works OK in college football, but I don't think that's the type of guy who inspires professional football players. At least not at QB. At MLB, maybe, but I have a hard time believing pro football players would take a guy who is that much of a boy scout seriously.

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Old 01-09-2009, 11:58 AM   #186
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Well, it's comforting to read that you don't know jackshit about football, either.
Its refreshing to know that your level of expertise on this is about the size
of my turd I dumped abut 20 minutes ago. With that said, Tebow is a winner and winners are in short supply in KC.

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Old 01-09-2009, 12:06 PM   #187
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I personally find Tebow's act tiresome. He's pretty cheesy, and his "promises" at the press conference following the Ole Miss loss were so overplayed I wanted to shoot myself (which was made worse by how cheesy and "motivational" they were).

I think his act works OK in college football, but I don't think that's the type of guy who inspires professional football players. At least not at QB. At MLB, maybe, but I have a hard time believing pro football players would take a guy who is that much of a boy scout seriously.

"Golly jeepers, guys, this is just like the time I was spoon-feeding orphans with leprousy in Namibia... we just have to dig down and do what they would do!"

'you mean, do whatever it takes to find food, Timmy?'
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Old 01-09-2009, 12:13 PM   #188
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The Mike Sweeney of football.
Good comparison.

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Old 01-09-2009, 12:19 PM   #189
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I've been more leaning towards Stafford for awhile now, but watching Bradford last night made me question myself. I saw a kid with great accuracy making strong throws, I saw him making throws with great touch, and I saw him stand in there and deliver a throw before taking a big hit. There are questions due to the system he is, but he's got real potential and I think anyone can see that. He looks more accurate than Stafford, that's for sure.

Also, KC is in a pretty good position to take Bradford if he needs development. We're still rebuilding and we have a QB who can get us by in the short term right now.
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Old 01-09-2009, 12:21 PM   #190
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also, you Tebow people are in fantasy land. That kid is a great college QB, but no way that playstyle works in the NFL, just no way.

And if you try to point to Tebows stats I've got two words for you: Chris Leak
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Old 01-09-2009, 12:23 PM   #191
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I guess the question is, is he really going to go in the top 10? Assume you are KC and/or Detroit. Bradford comes in for a workout and displays poor foot skills because he's taken 90% of his drops from shotgun and needs a lot of work on reading defenses, adjusting, etc. You know it is very likely that he won't step on the field for 1 1/2 years. Are you going to spend that draft pick and all that money on him?
Is SF drafting 9?

If Stafford and Sanchez go 1/2, I'd absolutely consider dropping back to 8 for an extra 2nd. He's not going before then. If only Stafford or Sanchez goes before us, I'd be doubly inclined to drop down as we're almost 100% assured of getting one of the 2 remaining players.

If we can't find a partner, I'd still take him at 3. He's going to be a good one.

These aren't infants, fellas. This "he'd have to learn to drop back" thing is just bizarre. You really think a kid with the ability he has shown is going to struggle to drop back? We're not talking about a peewee leaguer here, we're talking about a Heisman winner with an elite pedigree. I think he'll manage.

Additionally, even with their respective offenses, it's not as though Stafford or Sanchez are going to be ready to give you veteran reads when they step on the field either. They'll be facing some pretty steep learning curves themselves. They'll be a little bit ahead, but if Bradford has the aptitude scouts are saying he does, he'll get there soon enough.

When he gets there, I'll take the accurate arm over the big one every time. Additionally, despite his arm being a little weaker, he throws the best deep ball of the three. It's that nice high arch that lets recievers run under it. Reminds me of Jeff Blake (who couldn't do a damn thing but throw deep passes).
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Draft Tebow in the 2nd round. Sign Vick out of Leavenworth (or wherever he is now). Line up those two and Thigpen in the backfield on every play and let the defenses guess which one is going to take the snap and we're golden!

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Old 01-09-2009, 01:25 PM   #194
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Is SF drafting 9?

If Stafford and Sanchez go 1/2, I'd absolutely consider dropping back to 8 for an extra 2nd. He's not going before then. If only Stafford or Sanchez goes before us, I'd be doubly inclined to drop down as we're almost 100% assured of getting one of the 2 remaining players.

If we can't find a partner, I'd still take him at 3. He's going to be a good one.

These aren't infants, fellas. This "he'd have to learn to drop back" thing is just bizarre. You really think a kid with the ability he has shown is going to struggle to drop back? We're not talking about a peewee leaguer here, we're talking about a Heisman winner with an elite pedigree. I think he'll manage.

Additionally, even with their respective offenses, it's not as though Stafford or Sanchez are going to be ready to give you veteran reads when they step on the field either. They'll be facing some pretty steep learning curves themselves. They'll be a little bit ahead, but if Bradford has the aptitude scouts are saying he does, he'll get there soon enough.

When he gets there, I'll take the accurate arm over the big one every time. Additionally, despite his arm being a little weaker, he throws the best deep ball of the three. It's that nice high arch that lets recievers run under it. Reminds me of Jeff Blake (who couldn't do a damn thing but throw deep passes).
I agree that he throws the best deep ball, but I don't necessarily agree that converting a spread QB to a pro style is as easily said than done. There have been a lot of spread college QB's with good completion %'s who never developed.
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