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**The Franchise** · 11-10-2008, 03:06 PM

November 6th 2008.

1st round - Kansas City Chiefs: Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
If you're not a Chiefs fan, chances are you won't know this. OK, guess how many sacks Kansas City's defense has as a whole this season.

Fifteen? Way off. Ten? Nope. Five? Not even!

The Chiefs have four sacks on the year! Four freaking sacks! They foolishly traded away Jared Allen prior to the 2008 Draft, while moving Tamba Hali to right end failed miserably. Hali, now back at left end, needs a dominant pass-rusher across from him to once again play at his 2007 level.

That man can be Brian Orakpo. Through nine games, Orakpo has 13.5 tackles for loss and 8.5 sacks, as he's established himself as the premier defensive end in this draft class. Kansas City's young defense would greatly benefit from having him rushing the opposing quarterback.

Quarterback was an option, but Tyler Thigpen has played extremely well the past two weeks, so the Chiefs could have something with him.

2nd round - Kansas City Chiefs: Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
Napoleon Harris was Kansas City's middle linebacker when the season began. That failed miserably, as Harris was cut a few weeks ago. Pat Thomas took Harris' spot, and based on Kansas City's defensive rankings - click here for accurate NFL Run, Pass Defensive Rankings - it hasn't exactly worked out too well.

3rd round - Kansas City Chiefs: Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State
If Tyler Thigpen keeps improving and proves to be Kansas City's quarterback of the future, he'll need another receiver to throw to besides Dwayne Bowe. Bowe and Derrick Williams would be an awesome receiver combination, assuming the latter pans out.

jeffp12 · 01-28-2009, 08:09 PM

I really hope we don't pick Sanchez. I saw a mock where Sanchez fell to us in the 2nd round. How silly would it be for us to pick him so high.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-28-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffp12

I really hope we don't pick Sanchez. I saw a mock where Sanchez fell to us in the 2nd round. How silly would it be for us to pick him so high.

Please link that mock.

I'd like to send them a message.

I'll have to send it in Braille, because they are obviously ****ing blind.

Mecca · 01-28-2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffp12

I really hope we don't pick Sanchez. I saw a mock where Sanchez fell to us in the 2nd round. How silly would it be for us to pick him so high.

Ok so because 1 dumbass has him in the 2nd round while everyone else has him in the top 10 you're going to buy that...

I'm telling you these noobs are getting bad.

**Tribal Warfare** · 01-28-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Ok so because 1 dumbass has him in the 2nd round while everyone else has him in the top 10 you're going to buy that...

I'm telling you these noobs are getting bad.

I believe Hootie's reerun progeny must've discovered the internet

jeffp12 · 01-28-2009, 08:52 PM

(CP won't let me post a url, but it's at nfldraftdog - dot com)

Has the chiefs picking Orakpo at 3, and Sanchez in the 2nd round. So, if we don't pick him, where does Sanchez get picked? He left USC early, only started for 1 year on a team that has a talent advantage over everyone they play and a stellar defense.

Mecca · 01-28-2009, 08:56 PM

Mark Sanchez in no way shape or form will drop below 17, that is the WORST case scenario.

You need to look at more reputable sites than NFLdraftdog, and really Brian Orakpo is someone who I would in no way shape or form draft.

jeffp12 · 01-28-2009, 09:00 PM

You guys are pretty quick on the insults. It's not as if there is no precedent for QB's to drop. Look at Brady Quinn and Aaron Rodgers. They both fell a long ways when they were nearly top picks. And everyone says this draft class is weak on QBs. I think it's more likely that Sanchez would drop to the twenties and either get picked there or someone would trade up to that spot like happened with Quinn. When we have Thigpen who played pretty well for a guy who has so little experience, and a team that just set a record for defensive futility, I think we better be picking a DE or a LB. Why pick Sanchez when we could get plenty of other QBs, but it's not like there are a lot of available pass rushers. Why take sanchez when we can have Orakpo or Aaron Curry?

**Tribal Warfare** · 01-28-2009, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffp12

Why pick Sanchez when we could get plenty of other QBs, but it's not like there are a lot of available pass rushers. Why take sanchez when we can have Orakpo or Aaron Curry?

BPA, that would be either Stafford or Sanchez

Mecca · 01-28-2009, 09:04 PM

And now we're back to this Thigpen crap...

The QB draft was considered weak until 4 of the top 5 underclassmen who were thought of for next years draft declared. It's a horrendous senior class but with 4 of the top 5 juniors declaring that changes it and makes next years QB draft the bare one...As of today there is 1 1st round QB in next years draft and he's playing in the spread...that may change but it will at best be no better than this years next years will have big names that aren't great prospects..

And Brian Orakpo is a physically gifted player from Texas who doesn't always show up, I personally really detest the idea of drafting a Texas player..

And you're in the thread that explained why Curry shouldn't go that high, go find the last OLB that went that high...

Go listen to the podcast from Scott Wright I posted, he discusses QB's for this year and next year early on...

jeffp12 · 01-28-2009, 09:08 PM

Well I think we should trade down in any case. Sanchez might be a decent QB if you are picking at 20, but I don't think so at 3. Everyone knows the seahawks want Crabtree at 4, so if anyone is looking for a WR they will be looking to us. I wish we could trade down, accumulate some picks and still get curry or maualuga.

Mecca · 01-28-2009, 09:11 PM

Enough with the LB obsession you don't take LB's with top 10 picks..and trading down is unlikely.

It's just so funny to see the absolute QB fear.

jeffp12 · 01-28-2009, 09:20 PM

Terrell Suggs went 10th overall in 03.
Seau went 5th in 90
Derrick Thomas went 4th in 89
Peter Boulware and James Farrior both went in the top 8 in 1997. So if you can pick Derrick Thomas or Junior Seau or Terrell Suggs in the top 5, you pass because you don't pick Lb's in the top 5?

Mecca · 01-28-2009, 09:23 PM

LOL....Suggs played defensive end in college and would play end in a 4-3...Thomas was a rusher, there is a complete difference in a rush backer and say Aaron Curry..

The examples you are giving me of non rush backers are over a decade ago...give me the last LB taken with a top 5 pick...the only guys you gave me who aren't rush backers are Farrior and Seau...look how long ago that was.

It's basically been proven you shouldn't be taking traditional LB's or really LB's in general that high.

Mecca · 01-28-2009, 09:29 PM

read this....it's a common sense explanation.

3. Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
With Sam Bradford going back to school, this selection has become a lot more difficult to predict.

I have a feeling that a lot of mocks in the 2009 NFL Mock Draft Database will have Aaron Curry going here. I don't see that happening. The last time a player who wasn't a quarterback, running back, receiver, offensive tackle, defensive end or under tackle was chosen in the top three selections was LaVar Arrington (Redskins, 2000). I think Scott Pioli is a slightly better drafter than Daniel Snyder, don't you think?

Assuming the Chiefs go to a 3-4 with Pioli, Curry would be an inside linebacker for them. With trading down nearly impossible at No. 3 (no owner will want to trade up and pay tons of money to an unproven player in this economy), it's safe to say Curry won't be chosen.

So, that leaves us with the following options:

Best offensive tackle available
Michael Crabtree
Chris Wells/Knowshon Moreno
Brian Orakpo/Everette Brown
Mark Sanchez

With Larry Johnson still on the books, I think you can eliminate Wells and Moreno. Wide receiver isn't a prime need, so the Crabtree selection becomes unlikely. A left tackle could happen - the Chiefs would move Branden Albert inside.

Orakpo is probably out because he struggled against Alex Boone in the Doritos Fiesta Bowl. Brown is a stronger possibility if he has a great performance at the Combine. The Chiefs are likely to switch to the 3-4, and Brown, a nasty pass rusher coming off a huge year, would fit in perfectly.

However, I'm going with Sanchez. A new regime almost always equals a new quarterback. Sanchez is a hot commodity, coming off a brilliant performance at the Rose Bowl, sponsored by Kraft. The knock on him is the lack of experience, but going 28-of-35 for 413 yards and four touchdowns against Penn State pretty much quelled those concerns.

jeffp12 · 01-28-2009, 09:39 PM

I think the whole "new regime = draft a quarterback in the first round" thing is silly. Look at the dolphins last year. Take the offensive lineman to build on, or take the pass rusher to build a defense on. The Matt Ryan/Joe Flacco thing works when you have a defense a line and a running game. The chiefs have no defense, a bad line, and a bad running game. we bring in a fresh quarterback with a fat contract and we might very well have a Joey Harrington/David Carr situation. Pioli was part of the decision making process that got Brady and Cassell late in the draft. Why do they just assume he's going to take a QB?

11-10-2008, 03:06 PM
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2065047	Walterfootball.com Mock Drafts November 6th 2008. 1st round - Kansas City Chiefs: Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas If you're not a Chiefs fan, chances are you won't know this. OK, guess how many sacks Kansas City's defense has as a whole this season. Fifteen? Way off. Ten? Nope. Five? Not even! The Chiefs have four sacks on the year! Four freaking sacks! They foolishly traded away Jared Allen prior to the 2008 Draft, while moving Tamba Hali to right end failed miserably. Hali, now back at left end, needs a dominant pass-rusher across from him to once again play at his 2007 level. That man can be Brian Orakpo. Through nine games, Orakpo has 13.5 tackles for loss and 8.5 sacks, as he's established himself as the premier defensive end in this draft class. Kansas City's young defense would greatly benefit from having him rushing the opposing quarterback. Quarterback was an option, but Tyler Thigpen has played extremely well the past two weeks, so the Chiefs could have something with him. 2nd round - Kansas City Chiefs: Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida Napoleon Harris was Kansas City's middle linebacker when the season began. That failed miserably, as Harris was cut a few weeks ago. Pat Thomas took Harris' spot, and based on Kansas City's defensive rankings - click here for accurate NFL Run, Pass Defensive Rankings - it hasn't exactly worked out too well. 3rd round - Kansas City Chiefs: Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State If Tyler Thigpen keeps improving and proves to be Kansas City's quarterback of the future, he'll need another receiver to throw to besides Dwayne Bowe. Bowe and Derrick Williams would be an awesome receiver combination, assuming the latter pans out.
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01-28-2009, 08:09 PM	#61
jeffp12 Starter Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $10004900	I really hope we don't pick Sanchez. I saw a mock where Sanchez fell to us in the 2nd round. How silly would it be for us to pick him so high.
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01-28-2009, 08:52 PM	#65
jeffp12 Starter Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $10004900	(CP won't let me post a url, but it's at nfldraftdog - dot com) Has the chiefs picking Orakpo at 3, and Sanchez in the 2nd round. So, if we don't pick him, where does Sanchez get picked? He left USC early, only started for 1 year on a team that has a talent advantage over everyone they play and a stellar defense.
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01-28-2009, 08:56 PM	#66
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	Mark Sanchez in no way shape or form will drop below 17, that is the WORST case scenario. You need to look at more reputable sites than NFLdraftdog, and really Brian Orakpo is someone who I would in no way shape or form draft.
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01-28-2009, 09:00 PM	#67
jeffp12 Starter Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $10004900	You guys are pretty quick on the insults. It's not as if there is no precedent for QB's to drop. Look at Brady Quinn and Aaron Rodgers. They both fell a long ways when they were nearly top picks. And everyone says this draft class is weak on QBs. I think it's more likely that Sanchez would drop to the twenties and either get picked there or someone would trade up to that spot like happened with Quinn. When we have Thigpen who played pretty well for a guy who has so little experience, and a team that just set a record for defensive futility, I think we better be picking a DE or a LB. Why pick Sanchez when we could get plenty of other QBs, but it's not like there are a lot of available pass rushers. Why take sanchez when we can have Orakpo or Aaron Curry?
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01-28-2009, 09:04 PM	#69
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	And now we're back to this Thigpen crap... The QB draft was considered weak until 4 of the top 5 underclassmen who were thought of for next years draft declared. It's a horrendous senior class but with 4 of the top 5 juniors declaring that changes it and makes next years QB draft the bare one...As of today there is 1 1st round QB in next years draft and he's playing in the spread...that may change but it will at best be no better than this years next years will have big names that aren't great prospects.. And Brian Orakpo is a physically gifted player from Texas who doesn't always show up, I personally really detest the idea of drafting a Texas player.. And you're in the thread that explained why Curry shouldn't go that high, go find the last OLB that went that high... Go listen to the podcast from Scott Wright I posted, he discusses QB's for this year and next year early on...
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01-28-2009, 09:08 PM	#70
jeffp12 Starter Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $10004900	Well I think we should trade down in any case. Sanchez might be a decent QB if you are picking at 20, but I don't think so at 3. Everyone knows the seahawks want Crabtree at 4, so if anyone is looking for a WR they will be looking to us. I wish we could trade down, accumulate some picks and still get curry or maualuga.
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01-28-2009, 09:11 PM	#71
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	Enough with the LB obsession you don't take LB's with top 10 picks..and trading down is unlikely. It's just so funny to see the absolute QB fear.
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01-28-2009, 09:20 PM	#72
jeffp12 Starter Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $10004900	Terrell Suggs went 10th overall in 03. Seau went 5th in 90 Derrick Thomas went 4th in 89 Peter Boulware and James Farrior both went in the top 8 in 1997. So if you can pick Derrick Thomas or Junior Seau or Terrell Suggs in the top 5, you pass because you don't pick Lb's in the top 5?
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01-28-2009, 09:23 PM	#73
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	LOL....Suggs played defensive end in college and would play end in a 4-3...Thomas was a rusher, there is a complete difference in a rush backer and say Aaron Curry.. The examples you are giving me of non rush backers are over a decade ago...give me the last LB taken with a top 5 pick...the only guys you gave me who aren't rush backers are Farrior and Seau...look how long ago that was. It's basically been proven you shouldn't be taking traditional LB's or really LB's in general that high.
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01-28-2009, 09:29 PM	#74
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	read this....it's a common sense explanation. 3. Mark Sanchez, QB, USC With Sam Bradford going back to school, this selection has become a lot more difficult to predict. I have a feeling that a lot of mocks in the 2009 NFL Mock Draft Database will have Aaron Curry going here. I don't see that happening. The last time a player who wasn't a quarterback, running back, receiver, offensive tackle, defensive end or under tackle was chosen in the top three selections was LaVar Arrington (Redskins, 2000). I think Scott Pioli is a slightly better drafter than Daniel Snyder, don't you think? Assuming the Chiefs go to a 3-4 with Pioli, Curry would be an inside linebacker for them. With trading down nearly impossible at No. 3 (no owner will want to trade up and pay tons of money to an unproven player in this economy), it's safe to say Curry won't be chosen. So, that leaves us with the following options: Best offensive tackle available Michael Crabtree Chris Wells/Knowshon Moreno Brian Orakpo/Everette Brown Mark Sanchez With Larry Johnson still on the books, I think you can eliminate Wells and Moreno. Wide receiver isn't a prime need, so the Crabtree selection becomes unlikely. A left tackle could happen - the Chiefs would move Branden Albert inside. Orakpo is probably out because he struggled against Alex Boone in the Doritos Fiesta Bowl. Brown is a stronger possibility if he has a great performance at the Combine. The Chiefs are likely to switch to the 3-4, and Brown, a nasty pass rusher coming off a huge year, would fit in perfectly. However, I'm going with Sanchez. A new regime almost always equals a new quarterback. Sanchez is a hot commodity, coming off a brilliant performance at the Rose Bowl, sponsored by Kraft. The knock on him is the lack of experience, but going 28-of-35 for 413 yards and four touchdowns against Penn State pretty much quelled those concerns.
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01-28-2009, 09:39 PM	#75
jeffp12 Starter Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $10004900	I think the whole "new regime = draft a quarterback in the first round" thing is silly. Look at the dolphins last year. Take the offensive lineman to build on, or take the pass rusher to build a defense on. The Matt Ryan/Joe Flacco thing works when you have a defense a line and a running game. The chiefs have no defense, a bad line, and a bad running game. we bring in a fresh quarterback with a fat contract and we might very well have a Joey Harrington/David Carr situation. Pioli was part of the decision making process that got Brady and Cassell late in the draft. Why do they just assume he's going to take a QB?
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