Chiefs Who has more td then - Page 2

big nasty kcnut · 02-09-2009, 05:53 AM

Matt ryan,joe flacco and ben rothlitberger. Why it's our own tyler thigpen and all 3 qbs i'd mention were in the playoff. So don't be so quick to dismiss him.
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Mecca · 02-09-2009, 06:19 AM

If you think Roethlisberger is a middle of the road QB, that's all I need to know about how you value the position.

Yep QB had nothing to do with it, losing 23-20 with less than 3 minutes to go, any old pile of shit QB could engineer that drive and make those plays including one of the finest throws ever thrown in a bowl.

Mecca · 02-09-2009, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by chief103182

Well, you have to admit, in the end it was Ben who won it.

The 90's fixation will never leave......it's all defense not the QB, all you need is an average QB and you can be the Steelers!

Nevermind that Roethlisberger is not remotely average, but lets not factor that in so the dream that the 90s Chiefs team and teams built that way can or could of won bowls!

CrazyHorse · 02-09-2009, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If you think Roethlisberger is a middle of the road QB, that's all I need to know about how you value the position.

Yep QB had nothing to do with it, losing 23-20 with less than 3 minutes to go, any old pile of shit QB could engineer that drive and make those plays including one of the finest throws ever thrown in a bowl.

I'm not limiting my evaluation to one game.

You are.

You keep talking about 1 throw, saying stats mean nothing. You'll have to do better than that.

Mecca · 02-09-2009, 06:26 AM

Shitty QB's win 2 superbowls in 4 years..they also routinely lead game winning drives in the 4th quarter..

If you watched the Steelers at all for any period of time you'd know that Roethlisberger is a huge huge factor into why that team wins. He is the definition of a clutch player.

He is their franchise, nearly all of their other players are interchangeable, like their LB's as they cycle through and put different guys in there and get production...

But lets overlook that and give credit to the defense, I'm sure it was them that lead those drives.

CrazyHorse · 02-09-2009, 06:29 AM

I like Ben. I think he's a good QB. But he's not the #1 reason for the Steelers succsess. That's my contention.

I'm not saying Thigpen is better either. Just saying Ben isn't what I would consider a great QB. And the numbers bear that out. However, he does often make something out of nothing.

The last drive in the SB was great, no doubt.

Mecca · 02-09-2009, 06:34 AM

You aren't going to win anything with a QB and nothing else...you have to be good on both sides of the ball.

The Steelers were the 90's Chiefs till they finally got a legit QB, makes some sense huh?

Kerberos · 02-09-2009, 06:37 AM

The Steelers only ask Big Ben to do enough to win games. No more. No Less.

Is he ever going to break any of Marino's or Favre's records? Probably not. But how may SB did Marino win? How many did Favre Win?

Saying that Rothlisberger isn't that good because of stats is kind of dumbassery and blind homerism if you are comparing Thigpen to him. Could Thiggy have won more games if we had a Defense like Blitzbergs? I am certain of it. But to think he can clutch win games is an uncertain cause he hasn't show he can do it. Ben has.

Keep doubting Big Ben as he will no doubt take the "Berg" to yet another SB in the next 5 years if I was a betting man.

BTW this is IMO.

CrazyHorse · 02-09-2009, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You aren't going to win anything with a QB and nothing else...you have to be good on both sides of the ball.

The Steelers were the 90's Chiefs till they finally got a legit QB, makes some sense huh?

Never said he wasn't legit, or that he was shitty. I said he wasn't great, and he's not.

I will argue however that you cant just throw any semblance of players together and have the #1 defense in the NFL. Are you saying Ben would have been in and won the SB with a middle of the road defense this season?

Mecca · 02-09-2009, 06:41 AM

The Steelers have consistently had a top notch defense while cycling in new players at a pretty high rate and consistently walking away from other players...

Their defense is as much system and coaching as it is players.

Pasta Little Brioni · 02-09-2009, 06:43 AM

I like Tyler, but this is getting silly. Tyler does not have the accuracy right now to compare to these other guys. Love the mobility and IF he could improve his accuracy and drops from under center he'd be dangerous, but that is a huge IF. It is a big enough concern to not pass on a QB with our top 3 pick. Big Ben is a great QB and probably could put up big stats if they decided to throw the ball more. But, he is not asked to do that, so his numbers aren't as good. The defense helps, but it keeps his numbers in check because of the way they play.

CrazyHorse · 02-09-2009, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Kerberos

The Steelers only ask Big Ben to do enough to win games. No more. No Less.

Is he ever going to break any of Marino's or Favre's records? Probably not. But how may SB did Marino win? How many did Favre Win?

Saying that Rothlisberger isn't that good because of stats is kind of dumbassery and blind homerism if you are comparing Thigpen to him. Could Thigpen have won more games if we had a Defense like Blitzbergs? I am certain of it. But to think he can clutch win games is an uncertain cause he hasn't show he can do it. Ben has.

Keep doubting Big Ben as he will no doubt take the "Berg" to yet another SB in the next 5 years if I was a betting man.

BTW this is IMO.

Dont know if they will win another one in the next 5 years. But this is certainly a reasonable post. I agree with this.

CrazyHorse · 02-09-2009, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The Steelers have consistently had a top notch defense while cycling in new players at a pretty high rate and consistently walking away from other players...

Their defense is as much system and coaching as it is players.

Okay.

Are you saying they're not the best in the league? What's your point?

I thought you were one of the self proclaimed geniuses on this board. But your negotiating skills, and reading comprehension are poor.

beach tribe · 02-09-2009, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

I like Ben. I think he's a good QB. But he's not the #1 reason for the Steelers succsess. That's my contention.

I'm not saying Thigpen is better either. Just saying Ben isn't what I would consider a great QB. And the numbers bear that out. However, he does often make something out of nothing.

The last drive in the SB was great, no doubt.

I was just looking through my old football cards last night, and was blown away at the unimpressiveness of John Elways #s. QBs who win games in clutch situattions make all the difference. #s are completely over rated IMO.

InChiefsHeaven · 02-09-2009, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Okay.

Are you saying they're not the best in the league? What's your point?

I thought you were one of the self proclaimed geniuses on this board. But your negotiating skills, and reading apprehension are poor.

Why would he be apprehensive about reading?

CrazyHorse · 02-09-2009, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I was just looking through my old football cards last night, and was blown away at the unimpressiveness of John Elways #s. QBs who win games in clutch situattions make all the difference. #s are completely over rated IMO.

Elway=Ben.

Got it.

02-09-2009, 05:53 AM
big nasty kcnut The pizza king of kansas Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Somewhere in the u.s.a. Casino cash: $-2299100	Who has more td then Matt ryan,joe flacco and ben rothlitberger. Why it's our own tyler thigpen and all 3 qbs i'd mention were in the playoff. So don't be so quick to dismiss him. Posted via Mobile Device
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02-09-2009, 06:19 AM	#16
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-772950	If you think Roethlisberger is a middle of the road QB, that's all I need to know about how you value the position. Yep QB had nothing to do with it, losing 23-20 with less than 3 minutes to go, any old pile of shit QB could engineer that drive and make those plays including one of the finest throws ever thrown in a bowl.
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02-09-2009, 06:26 AM	#19
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-772950	Shitty QB's win 2 superbowls in 4 years..they also routinely lead game winning drives in the 4th quarter.. If you watched the Steelers at all for any period of time you'd know that Roethlisberger is a huge huge factor into why that team wins. He is the definition of a clutch player. He is their franchise, nearly all of their other players are interchangeable, like their LB's as they cycle through and put different guys in there and get production... But lets overlook that and give credit to the defense, I'm sure it was them that lead those drives.
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02-09-2009, 06:29 AM	#20
CrazyHorse All Motor! Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I like Ben. I think he's a good QB. But he's not the #1 reason for the Steelers succsess. That's my contention. I'm not saying Thigpen is better either. Just saying Ben isn't what I would consider a great QB. And the numbers bear that out. However, he does often make something out of nothing. The last drive in the SB was great, no doubt.
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02-09-2009, 06:34 AM	#21
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-772950	You aren't going to win anything with a QB and nothing else...you have to be good on both sides of the ball. The Steelers were the 90's Chiefs till they finally got a legit QB, makes some sense huh?
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02-09-2009, 06:37 AM	#22
Kerberos Chiefs Baby Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Henderson, NV Casino cash: $10000632	The Steelers only ask Big Ben to do enough to win games. No more. No Less. Is he ever going to break any of Marino's or Favre's records? Probably not. But how may SB did Marino win? How many did Favre Win? Saying that Rothlisberger isn't that good because of stats is kind of dumbassery and blind homerism if you are comparing Thigpen to him. Could Thiggy have won more games if we had a Defense like Blitzbergs? I am certain of it. But to think he can clutch win games is an uncertain cause he hasn't show he can do it. Ben has. Keep doubting Big Ben as he will no doubt take the "Berg" to yet another SB in the next 5 years if I was a betting man. BTW this is IMO.
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02-09-2009, 06:41 AM	#24
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-772950	The Steelers have consistently had a top notch defense while cycling in new players at a pretty high rate and consistently walking away from other players... Their defense is as much system and coaching as it is players.
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02-09-2009, 06:43 AM	#25
Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $98880	I like Tyler, but this is getting silly. Tyler does not have the accuracy right now to compare to these other guys. Love the mobility and IF he could improve his accuracy and drops from under center he'd be dangerous, but that is a huge IF. It is a big enough concern to not pass on a QB with our top 3 pick. Big Ben is a great QB and probably could put up big stats if they decided to throw the ball more. But, he is not asked to do that, so his numbers aren't as good. The defense helps, but it keeps his numbers in check because of the way they play.
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