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[KCrockaholic]

Begins soon. 6:30 CDT.

[Mecca]

I seriously doubt he gives a shit, Jordan Gross has been a RT a LT a RT again and back and forth he makes LT money that's what he gives a shit about.

Aslong as he gets paid he'll be fine.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It's honestly not any worse than paying a ILB what Curry would get at the pick...there are no great options with staying with the pick.

Bingo. That is why I am ok with it.. not as ok as getting out of the pick or taking a flyer on Raji... but still ok with it.

--Kyle (trying to come to grips with an impossible situation)

P.S. I am happy we have Cassel and got him for a song (and kept him outta denver)... BUT just from a value standpoint... The whole Stafford/Sanchez thing is making a BIT more sense now... I still have major doubts about Sanchez.. but I am really missing that 2nd round pick.. and I was hoping some better fitting players would show up on radar by now... but it doesn't look like it

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

you can get away with that shit in college, where the coach owns your ass...in the pros the players have leverage, and they always have a contract expiring

can anyone explain to me why you think Albert will accept a demotion for the rest of his career?

I am not advocating moving Albert but you have to remember he signed a 5-yr deal so he has 4 more years left on his current contract plus the Chiefs can franchise him if they want (depending on the new CBA). So I really don't see this as a reason to not move him.

Alot can happen in 4 years and we could be 3-peats by then.

[SBK]

If we draft an LT at 3 I'll give all my casino cash away to whoever wants it, and stomp my keyboard again. We aren't taking and LT, the coaches and front office loves Albert.

[RustShack]

I'll spend money on having a top Oline again rather than spending it on an ILB.

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by SBK

If we draft an LT at 3 I'll give all my casino cash away to whoever wants it, and stomp my keyboard again. We aren't taking and LT, the coaches and front office loves Albert.

We don't have the same guys who drafted Albert, if they feel hes best at OG or RT and Monroe is a lot better they will take Monroe, especially if they feel there isn't anyone else worth the #3 pick. Even if they do love Albert, that doesn't mean that can't love him somewhere else. All I'm saying is if LT isn't Alberts best position, play him where he gives the best impact. If Monroe can be a better LT than Albert, its a win win situation. We have plenty of cap, Oline is a major need.

[SBK]

Originally Posted by RustShack

We don't have the same guys who drafted Albert, if they feel hes best at OG or RT and Monroe is a lot better they will take Monroe, especially if they feel there isn't anyone else worth the #3 pick. Even if they do love Albert, that doesn't mean that can't love him somewhere else. All I'm saying is if LT isn't Alberts best position, play him where he gives the best impact. If Monroe can be a better LT than Albert, its a win win situation. We have plenty of cap, Oline is a major need.

If the coaches love Albert, and the front office loves Albert, we won't be drafting a LT.

Just like if the coaches love Cassel, and the front office loves Cassel, we won't be drafting a QB.

The point of my post wasn't that I don't think we're going to draft Monroe, it's that with what was said about Albert before Pioli came here, and after we hired coaches, we're set at LT. You don't need 2, and we have a GM that actually knows something about building a winning team.

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by SBK

If the coaches love Albert, and the front office loves Albert, we won't be drafting a LT.

Just like if the coaches love Cassel, and the front office loves Cassel, we won't be drafting a QB.

The point of my post wasn't that I don't think we're going to draft Monroe, it's that with what was said about Albert before Pioli came here, and after we hired coaches, we're set at LT. You don't need 2, and we have a GM that actually knows something about building a winning team.

Good point

[Chiefnj2]

Wow. If I had the time or inclination I'd go back and find all the posts where guys who are now busting Wright's balls talked about how great he was. A few months ago I asked Mecca if Wright was ever a pro scout and he gave me a stern lecture on how good the guy was and I shouldn't question his credentials.

Now, a few weeks later when Wrights opinions don't mesh with the views of the drafturbators, all of a sudden the guy is a hack. The level of immaturity and insecurity among draft gurus is amazing. Whereas the draft forum used to be a good place for people to learn new things and opposing views on players it has slowly degraded into a fourm of "I know more than anyone else. You are wrong. You are a reerun if you think differently."

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by SBK

If the coaches love Albert, and the front office loves Albert, we won't be drafting a LT.

Just like if the coaches love Cassel, and the front office loves Cassel, we won't be drafting a QB.

The point of my post wasn't that I don't think we're going to draft Monroe, it's that with what was said about Albert before Pioli came here, and after we hired coaches, we're set at LT. You don't need 2, and we have a GM that actually knows something about building a winning team.

I'm getting set to read this whole thread, but I just wanted to toss this out there before I start. If Pioli does draft an LT, does that mean he does not know how to build a winning team?

[ChiefsOne]

As much as the Defense is needed to be upgraded, I would rather roll the dice on it.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It's not about being a money hungry bitch, it's about getting the best contract he can and if other team will pay him as a LT he'll expect that.

You are making a lot of assumptions in that process. The average NFL player's career is 3 years. And I know that we can reasonably believe that Albert will have a long career but thinking 4 years down the road about Albert's contract is a little bit ridiculous for the 2-14 Chiefs at this point. A lot of things can happen in 4 years. Albert's contract is currently a good value for a RT and Monroe would be a good value at LT with the #3 pick considering the other options that we have if we can't trade down.

Say Albert plays a good 4-years at RT and Monroe plays well at LT during that time as well. We would most likely have great o-line play during that 4 year period and the last time we had great o line play, we had the best offense in the league.

Another point is that if Albert doesn't want to resign for reasonable money, we can always franchise him and trade him for picks, the same way we did with Jared Allen. And if you ask me that's a great way to continue the success of your team because you don't end up having huge contracts tied up into one player and you can continue to build through the draft with the picks that you traded the franchise player for.

All the downside of Albert's contract being a problem 4-years down the road really aren't a problem at all when you consider the trade value that Albert will have and the compensation that we will receive.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

You are making a lot of assumptions in that process. The average NFL player's career is 3 years. And I know that we can reasonably believe that Albert will have a long career but thinking 4 years down the road about Albert's contract is a little bit ridiculous for the 2-14 Chiefs at this point. A lot of things can happen in 4 years. Albert's contract is currently a good value for a RT and Monroe would be a good value at LT with the #3 pick considering the other options that we have if we can't trade down.

Say Albert plays a good 4-years at RT and Monroe plays well at LT during that time as well. We would most likely have great o-line play during that 4 year period and the last time we had great o line play, we had the best offense in the league.

Another point is that if Albert doesn't want to resign for reasonable money, we can always franchise him and trade him for picks, the same way we did with Jared Allen. And if you ask me that's a great way to continue the success of your team because you don't end up having huge contracts tied up into one player and you can continue to build through the draft with the picks that you traded the franchise player for.

All the downside of Albert's contract being a problem 4-years down the road really aren't a problem at all when you consider the trade value that Albert will have and the compensation that we will receive.

Again, it's not about the contract.

Albert not only proved he could play the position, he was arguably THE best LT taken in last year's draft.

He's EASILY better than anybody coming out this year.

DON'T ****ING MOVE HIM. It's as simple as that.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

He's EASILY better than anybody coming out this year.

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Pure speculation.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

He's EASILY better than anybody coming out this year.

If you have the time, starting a thread that further illuminates this point would probably be helpful in demonstrating why moving him would be a terrible, terrible decision.

Of course, it might also be an exercise in pissing into the wind...