Football To the Herm haters. - Page 5

kcbubb · 07-29-2009, 11:37 AM

I'm tired of all the blame going to Herm. Yes, Herm had his share of blunders but the amount of hate that he gets is ridiculous. The biggest mistake that Herm made was underestimating the impact of Jared Allen. And I did too at the time. In 2007, the Chiefs almost had a top 10 defense despite their terrible offense. We know what happened in 2008. But we are quick to forget the defense of 2007. I'm not saying the Herm was a great coach, but he is not as bad as some here believe.

Just to irritate you, lets take a look at what might have been if Herm had stuck around.

-First the acquisition of Cassell never happens. Herm sticks with Thigpen and Gailey runs the system that worked well in the latter half of the season.

-The switch to the 3-4 never happens and the Chiefs continue to run a 4-3 defense.

-Most likely, no notable free agents are picked up.

-Tony Gonzalez remains with the Chiefs.

-The draft rolls around and Herm takes the safe route as usual and picks the following players:

1. Aaron Curry
2. Everette Brown (Herm likes this pick bc of the desperate need for a pass rusher to replace Jared Allen who was lost in 07 and the success of another small DE Dwight Freeney with the Colts where his role model Tony Dungy coached.)
3. Antione Caldwell (Mal Moore leadership award winner is drafted here) Herm kinda player. And can play all line positions but primarily C or G.
4. Louis Murphy (Herm picks a wide out for the needed depth and Murphy provide some speed.)
5. Jasper Brinkley (Tough middle linebacker probably starts.)
6. Andrew Gardner (RT tackle pushes or replaces McIntosh)
7. Captain Munnerlyn (CB and returner)
7. Ricky Jean-Francois (depth at DT)
7. Ryan Succop K

And to top it off. After speaking with Tony Dungy about Michael Vick, who has been mentoring Vick, Herm trusts Dungy and decides to give Vick a shot at backing up Tyler Thigpen.

Would all of this happened... probably not, but it is interesting to think about what might have been if Herm and Carl would have stayed. Again, I don't think Herm is great and I definitely don't think Carl was good, but I do wonder what might have happened. I do like the draft above much better than our current one, and I do like that we still would have Tony G.

Titty Meat · 07-29-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz

Yes, it wasn’t Herm's fault he inherited a bunch of old, worthless, over the hill veteran’s that could no longer play football. Face it, Herm did the best he could with the hand he was dealt. Had he been able to rebuild the first year he was here we would have won the Super Bowl last year. It was Carl that clearly held him back. Herm should be added to the ring of fame for his efforts.

Yea and the players he drafted to replace the old players sucked. So did the free agents he signed to replace those veterans.

wild1 · 07-29-2009, 02:46 PM

this has to be a joke. no one is dumb enough to both love Herm and want Vick over Cassel

Micjones · 07-29-2009, 02:50 PM

You're really defending an NFL Head Coach who managed exactly 6 wins in two seasons?

Wow...

He's done exactly nothing noteworthy in his career.
I'll never get why people stick up for him.
He's lost 20 more games than he's won as an HC in this league.
Seriously...

chiefs1111 · 07-29-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz

Herm, just needed more time to work out a few kinks. He wasn't given enough time to implement his master plan.

Herm isn't a good enough coach to execute a master plan

**Skip Towne** · 07-29-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz

Those were all close games that could have gone either way. Herm was only a play or two away in each of the games that we could have won the playoffs.

Surely you jest. You just don't give a dunce like Herm more and more time. He isn't even smart enough to use the internet.

chiefs1111 · 07-29-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Surely you jest. You just don't give a dunce like Herm more and more time. He isn't even smart enough to use the internet.

I think calling Herm a dunce is going to easy on him

LaChapelle · 07-29-2009, 03:12 PM

They had to gut the stadium after Herm left. They still aren't sure they got the stench out.

**Lzen** · 07-29-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PostRockPablo

Haha. You obviously took a lot of time and effort to write out how you feel, but nobody's going to read shit you wrote and just call you a reerun for defending Herm.

Congrats on accomplishing absolutely nothing.

I read the first couple of lines. After the Michael Vick thread yesterday and now this, my thoughts are "this kcbubb must be a real dumb ass".

**the Talking Can** · 07-29-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

ok, that is pretty ****ing brilliant

Hammock Parties · 07-29-2009, 03:33 PM

I made that in like...October? It was in the germ warfare thread.

**the Talking Can** · 07-29-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

I made that in like...October? It was in the germ warfare thread.

well kudos, i hadn't seen it...

chiefzilla1501 · 07-29-2009, 03:40 PM

Given a competent front office, Herm would have been a 9-10 win coach. Which is good but not great. People who say he was worthless and incompetent are ridiculous. Nobody denies that Peterson ****ed this team up. Nobody denies that Vermeil let this team get ridiculously old. Nobody denies that this team whiffed on 10 straight drafts before Herm came into KC. And yet nobody wants to suggest that maybe Herm inherited a pretty poor situation that made it really difficult to win games.

I'm pretty excited about the Haley regime. I just feel bad it had to go down this way for Herm. He inherited a shitty team and despite Herm's constant insistence that the team needed to rebuild, our stubborn shithead of a GM resisted at every turn. We are mostly in the situation we are in now because of Peterson's mismanagement.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-29-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

I read the first couple of lines. After the Michael Vick thread yesterday and now this, my thoughts are "this kcbubb must be a real dumb ass".

This.

Titty Meat · 07-29-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Given a competent front office, Herm would have been a 9-10 win coach. Which is good but not great. People who say he was worthless and incompetent are ridiculous. Nobody denies that Peterson ****ed this team up. Nobody denies that Vermeil let this team get ridiculously old. Nobody denies that this team whiffed on 10 straight drafts before Herm came into KC. And yet nobody wants to suggest that maybe Herm inherited a pretty poor situation that made it really difficult to win games.

I'm pretty excited about the Haley regime. I just feel bad it had to go down this way for Herm. He inherited a shitty team and despite Herm's constant insistence that the team needed to rebuild, our stubborn shithead of a GM resisted at every turn. We are mostly in the situation we are in now because of Peterson's mismanagement.

Did you watch the games? Herm gave games away. Who the **** plays a close style game while ignoring the QB position, Special teams, and Field Goal kicker. That was Herms doing.

sportsman1 · 07-29-2009, 03:46 PM

Both San Diego Games were great examples of Herm giving the game away. I mean his stupidity in "game situations" is un-paralleled. Non to mention he coddled players, and they weren't ever ready for the season.

07-29-2009, 11:37 AM
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $5166719	To the Herm haters. I'm tired of all the blame going to Herm. Yes, Herm had his share of blunders but the amount of hate that he gets is ridiculous. The biggest mistake that Herm made was underestimating the impact of Jared Allen. And I did too at the time. In 2007, the Chiefs almost had a top 10 defense despite their terrible offense. We know what happened in 2008. But we are quick to forget the defense of 2007. I'm not saying the Herm was a great coach, but he is not as bad as some here believe. Just to irritate you, lets take a look at what might have been if Herm had stuck around. -First the acquisition of Cassell never happens. Herm sticks with Thigpen and Gailey runs the system that worked well in the latter half of the season. -The switch to the 3-4 never happens and the Chiefs continue to run a 4-3 defense. -Most likely, no notable free agents are picked up. -Tony Gonzalez remains with the Chiefs. -The draft rolls around and Herm takes the safe route as usual and picks the following players: 1. Aaron Curry 2. Everette Brown (Herm likes this pick bc of the desperate need for a pass rusher to replace Jared Allen who was lost in 07 and the success of another small DE Dwight Freeney with the Colts where his role model Tony Dungy coached.) 3. Antione Caldwell (Mal Moore leadership award winner is drafted here) Herm kinda player. And can play all line positions but primarily C or G. 4. Louis Murphy (Herm picks a wide out for the needed depth and Murphy provide some speed.) 5. Jasper Brinkley (Tough middle linebacker probably starts.) 6. Andrew Gardner (RT tackle pushes or replaces McIntosh) 7. Captain Munnerlyn (CB and returner) 7. Ricky Jean-Francois (depth at DT) 7. Ryan Succop K And to top it off. After speaking with Tony Dungy about Michael Vick, who has been mentoring Vick, Herm trusts Dungy and decides to give Vick a shot at backing up Tyler Thigpen. Would all of this happened... probably not, but it is interesting to think about what might have been if Herm and Carl would have stayed. Again, I don't think Herm is great and I definitely don't think Carl was good, but I do wonder what might have happened. I do like the draft above much better than our current one, and I do like that we still would have Tony G.
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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1545503	Given a competent front office, Herm would have been a 9-10 win coach. Which is good but not great. People who say he was worthless and incompetent are ridiculous. Nobody denies that Peterson ****ed this team up. Nobody denies that Vermeil let this team get ridiculously old. Nobody denies that this team whiffed on 10 straight drafts before Herm came into KC. And yet nobody wants to suggest that maybe Herm inherited a pretty poor situation that made it really difficult to win games. I'm pretty excited about the Haley regime. I just feel bad it had to go down this way for Herm. He inherited a shitty team and despite Herm's constant insistence that the team needed to rebuild, our stubborn shithead of a GM resisted at every turn. We are mostly in the situation we are in now because of Peterson's mismanagement.
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sportsman1 Nomadical Transient in Chief Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Fort Worth, TX Casino cash: $10005215	Both San Diego Games were great examples of Herm giving the game away. I mean his stupidity in "game situations" is un-paralleled. Non to mention he coddled players, and they weren't ever ready for the season.
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