To the Herm haters.

[kcbubb]

I'm tired of all the blame going to Herm. Yes, Herm had his share of blunders but the amount of hate that he gets is ridiculous. The biggest mistake that Herm made was underestimating the impact of Jared Allen. And I did too at the time. In 2007, the Chiefs almost had a top 10 defense despite their terrible offense. We know what happened in 2008. But we are quick to forget the defense of 2007. I'm not saying the Herm was a great coach, but he is not as bad as some here believe.

Just to irritate you, lets take a look at what might have been if Herm had stuck around.

-First the acquisition of Cassell never happens. Herm sticks with Thigpen and Gailey runs the system that worked well in the latter half of the season.

-The switch to the 3-4 never happens and the Chiefs continue to run a 4-3 defense.

-Most likely, no notable free agents are picked up.

-Tony Gonzalez remains with the Chiefs.

-The draft rolls around and Herm takes the safe route as usual and picks the following players:

1. Aaron Curry
2. Everette Brown (Herm likes this pick bc of the desperate need for a pass rusher to replace Jared Allen who was lost in 07 and the success of another small DE Dwight Freeney with the Colts where his role model Tony Dungy coached.)
3. Antione Caldwell (Mal Moore leadership award winner is drafted here) Herm kinda player. And can play all line positions but primarily C or G.
4. Louis Murphy (Herm picks a wide out for the needed depth and Murphy provide some speed.)
5. Jasper Brinkley (Tough middle linebacker probably starts.)
6. Andrew Gardner (RT tackle pushes or replaces McIntosh)
7. Captain Munnerlyn (CB and returner)
7. Ricky Jean-Francois (depth at DT)
7. Ryan Succop K


And to top it off. After speaking with Tony Dungy about Michael Vick, who has been mentoring Vick, Herm trusts Dungy and decides to give Vick a shot at backing up Tyler Thigpen.


Would all of this happened... probably not, but it is interesting to think about what might have been if Herm and Carl would have stayed. Again, I don't think Herm is great and I definitely don't think Carl was good, but I do wonder what might have happened. I do like the draft above much better than our current one, and I do like that we still would have Tony G.

[luv]

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

That's right. Why wasn't Peterson able to keep Marty down? Marty won as many games as Stram.

In the regular season. Don't worry, I'm agreeing with you on Herm. Just saying that winning is great until you lose when it matters.

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by luv

In the regular season. Don't worry, I'm agreeing with you on Herm. Just saying that winning is great until you lose when it matters.

Marty ALWAYS got us into the playoffs. And on Monday Night Football. He has more than 200 wins. We haven't won like that since he left. It will be a long time before we have another coach that good. I miss being feared like we were under Stram and Marty.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Marty ALWAYS got us into the playoffs. And on Monday Night Football. He has more than 200 wins. We haven't won like that since he left. It will be a long time before we have another coach that good. I miss being feared like we were under Stram and Marty.

I was fooled by Herm and Gunther's rhetoric and empty promises of building a powerhouse defense.

[Chiefnj2]

Herm was a defensive minded coach who focussed on building the defense first. After 3 years that D was one of the worst in the league (along with a horrible offense and poor ST's).

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I was fooled by Herm and Gunther's rhetoric and empty promises of building a powerhouse defense.

Marty won from the day he set foot in KC. And he won before that and after that. He always had great defenses but little offense. Stram was the same way. He won a lot of 13-6 games.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Marty won from the day he set foot in KC. And he won before that and after that. He always had great defenses but little offense. Stram was the same way. He won a lot of 13-6 games.

The evidence of Marty's failures in the post-season is too much to ignore, so he has to be own it.

That said, think about his final playoff loss in SD. After the INT, all the dude needed to do was get down. Instead, he fumbles. This isn't on Marty.

I've never heard anyone claim that a Marty team was ill prepared, so you know all of the fundamentals are covered. Sometimes things just happen...

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Marty won from the day he set foot in KC. And he won before that and after that. He always had great defenses but little offense. Stram was the same way. He won a lot of 13-6 games.

The offense wasn't as horrible as people remember. They folded in the playoffs, but in the regular season he fielded a top 10 scoring offense for 5 years. (top 15, 8 years).

[Reerun_KC]

Someone needs to get Chiefzilla a towel...

I think he has some love juice on his chin!

[Marcellus]

We are less than 4 days away from the opening of training camp with a new GM and coach and there is a ****ing Herm Edwards thread at the top of the forum.

Good ****ing grief. Get the **** over it.

[LaChapelle]

Bullshit on past drafts. Herm was going to live or die by one of his draft choices. Brodie Croyle.

[Titty Meat]

This game shows how shitty of a coach Herm is http://www.mywavv.com/Scripts/ChiefsvsBucs2008.htm

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by D2112

I'll leave it at this. watching a Herm coached team made you feel hopeless.

bingo

[Jethopper]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

I'm tired of all the blame going to Herm. Yes, Herm had his share of blunders but the amount of hate that he gets is ridiculous. The biggest mistake that Herm made was underestimating the impact of Jared Allen. And I did too at the time. In 2007, the Chiefs almost had a top 10 defense despite their terrible offense. We know what happened in 2008. But we are quick to forget the defense of 2007. I'm not saying the Herm was a great coach, but he is not as bad as some here believe.

Just to irritate you, lets take a look at what might have been if Herm had stuck around.

-First the acquisition of Cassell never happens. Herm sticks with Thigpen and Gailey runs the system that worked well in the latter half of the season.

-The switch to the 3-4 never happens and the Chiefs continue to run a 4-3 defense.

-Most likely, no notable free agents are picked up.

-Tony Gonzalez remains with the Chiefs.

-The draft rolls around and Herm takes the safe route as usual and picks the following players:

1. Aaron Curry
2. Everette Brown (Herm likes this pick bc of the desperate need for a pass rusher to replace Jared Allen who was lost in 07 and the success of another small DE Dwight Freeney with the Colts where his role model Tony Dungy coached.)
3. Antione Caldwell (Mal Moore leadership award winner is drafted here) Herm kinda player. And can play all line positions but primarily C or G.
4. Louis Murphy (Herm picks a wide out for the needed depth and Murphy provide some speed.)
5. Jasper Brinkley (Tough middle linebacker probably starts.)
6. Andrew Gardner (RT tackle pushes or replaces McIntosh)
7. Captain Munnerlyn (CB and returner)
7. Ricky Jean-Francois (depth at DT)
7. Ryan Succop K


And to top it off. After speaking with Tony Dungy about Michael Vick, who has been mentoring Vick, Herm trusts Dungy and decides to give Vick a shot at backing up Tyler Thigpen.


Would all of this happened... probably not, but it is interesting to think about what might have been if Herm and Carl would have stayed. Again, I don't think Herm is great and I definitely don't think Carl was good, but I do wonder what might have happened. I do like the draft above much better than our current one, and I do like that we still would have Tony G.

reerunED

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by D2112

I'll leave it at this. watching a Herm coached team made you feel hopeless. and it was also like being water boarded or tortured. even if he had the greatest talent in the world he wouldn't change his stubborn idiotic way of coaching.

Put Joe Montana at qb....the hogs for an o line and Jerry Rice and Paul Warfield at wr and he would still coach the same exact way hes been coaching.

I suppose that's why he openly moved from a West Coast Offense to giving Chan Gailey free reign to run a completely wide open spread offense?

And throwing out the W-L record is completely ****ing reeruned. Basically, the starting lineup Herm Edwards inherited was: Trent Green, Jordan Black, Will Shields, Casey Wiegmann, Brian Waters, Kevin Sampson, LJ, Tony Richardson, Tony Gonzalez, Eddie Kennison, Samie Parker, Dante Hall on offense. Guess what? Only 5 of those players (Gonzalez, T-Rich, Wiegmann, and Waters) are starters today, and NONE of them are under the age of 30. On defense, he inherited Jared Allen, Ryan Sims, Junior Siavii, John Browning, Derrick Johnson, Kawika Mitchell, Shawn Barber, Kendrell Bell, Dexter McCleon, Patrick Surtain, Jerome Woods, and Greg Wesley. Guess what? Only three of those guys are starters. You need 22 starters in this league. And Vermeil/Peterson left Herm Edwards with only 8. And only half of those guys are under 30. And one of those guys, Jared Allen, was traded away because our GM went on an ego trip.

Give me a ****ing break. I'm not an Obama supporter by any means, but that's like blaming Obama for the subprime mortgage crisis even though he wasn't even President when it happened!

NO COACH could have inherited the mess that was the KC CHiefs and had a winning record. Thank god mecca has an intelligent head on his shoulders and recognizes that the main reason this team is ****ed up is not because of Herm Edwards, but the fact that Carl Peterson ****ed up 10 years of drafts and free agencies.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Someone needs to get Chiefzilla a towel...

I think he has some love juice on his chin!

I don't know how many times I have to point out that I thought Herm Edwards was a flawed head coach. But people want to point out his W-L record as if that was all his fault.

This team was ****ed from 2006-2008, regardless of who was coaching.