Todd Haley is a MF'in prick

[LaChapelle]

WHB610 is giving him hell. No Neal Jones, did he get the ax?

Rumor is Haley called in Will Franklin and told him he was a marked man. He was one of "Herm's guys." Rode him so hard at the voluntary work outs that he asked for his release and it was granted.

I'm not having that big of a problem with this.

[Mecca]

Atlanta had a bit more talent than we do...

They had been a pretty solid team before the Vick fiasco and well Vicks non development.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I just don't agree that you need 4 years to turn around a team void of talent.

The Atlanta Falcons roster was pretty void of any talent after the 2007 season. They had Vick in the pen, no real RB options, a young Roddy White, no offensive line, an aging Keith Brooking, and a no-name secondary.

With good solid coaching, and very smart drafting, they were able to turn it around quick. I know Ryan has a ton to do with that. But if Cassel performs well, the Chiefs patch up some holes this coming off-season, anything can happen.

I'm more confident with the leadership we have in place than I have ever been.

They're going to have to patch up more than a few holes.

Three offensive line spots, minimum. Three linebacker spots, minimum. Probably the nose tackle position. And definitely, a complimentary receiver opposite Bowe.

That's an awful lot for one season, not including depth.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Atlanta had a bit more talent than we do...

They had been a pretty solid team before the Vick fiasco and well Vicks non development.

Exactly.

They had some serious first round receiving talent. A good offensive line. A game changing, pass rushing monster. And a decent linebacking corp.

Add a QB, a 1,500 yard rusher and what do you get? An 11-5 record.

The Chiefs are a few years away from 11-5.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Atlanta had a bit more talent than we do...

They had been a pretty solid team before the Vick fiasco and well Vicks non development.

Where was their talent? This is a big urban legend on this board that Atlanta was some team with good players. I've seen it posted more than once.

They had no offensive line.
They had no quarterback.
They featured an aging Warrick Dunn at RB.
They had Roddy White and Joe Horn at WR.
They had a broken down Alge Crumpler at TE.
They had Jon Abraham on their line and that's pretty much it.
They had Boley, Brooking and DeMorrio Williams at LB, none of which are even there anymore.
They had DeAngelo Hall, who I felt was insanely overrated then. Chris Houston is a good player, but I'd rate Brandon Flowers above him.

Where is all this talent that Atlanta had? They were very, very comparable to the 2008 Chiefs.

Jon Abraham and Roddy White are the only 2 real stars I see on that 2007 team.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

They're going to have to patch up more than a few holes.

Three offensive line spots, minimum. Three linebacker spots, minimum. Probably the nose tackle position. And definitely, a complimentary receiver opposite Bowe.

That's an awful lot for one season, not including depth.

I agree with your general premise, although I'm not quite as pessimistic. I think that the team will be able to bring in some more help once teams start making the later cuts. There could be a tight end, one or more o-linemen and a defensive player or two coming over from New England, for example. Generally speaking, such players won't be guys who light the world on fire, but it will go towards building up the Chiefs' depth.

[Mecca]

Having a pass rusher is a big deal...

Plus their draft last year was outstanding it's not everyday you can grab your QB, LT and MLB in 1 year.

They also had a couple of young guys really step up on their line. Their approach was quite different than the Chiefs though they put a lot of young guys on the field in a sink or swim approach.

The only really old guy they had out there was Milloy and he's gone now.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Exactly.

They had some serious first round receiving talent. A good offensive line. A game changing, pass rushing monster. And a decent linebacking corp.

Add a QB, a 1,500 yard rusher and what do you get? An 11-5 record.

The Chiefs are a few years away from 11-5.

Their line was awful before last year. They overhauled the entire unit in 2008. That Falcons line did not have anything close to Brendan Albert or Brian Waters on it.

Michael Jenkins isn't serious talent. Roddy White is, but Jenkins isn't.

Their linebackers aren't even there anymore. Every single starter is new from 2 years ago. If Boley was so good, I'm sure they could have easily matched that Giant offer.

I'll give you Abraham, but everything else is questionable at best.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Having a pass rusher is a big deal...

Plus their draft last year was outstanding it's not everyday you can grab your QB, LT and MLB in 1 year.

They also had a couple of young guys really step up on their line. Their approach was quite different than the Chiefs though they put a lot of young guys on the field in a sink or swim approach.

The only really old guy they had out there was Milloy and he's gone now.

Gotcha.

So basically Atlanta can have young guys step up, but the Chiefs have no prayer.

[Mecca]

Considering what team signed Boley I'm wondering if Atlanta missed the boat on that one.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Gotcha.

So basically Atlanta can have young guys step up, but the Chiefs have no prayer.

Which young guys are gonna step up?

The Chiefs aren't playing young guys, they're playing old guys. Atleast that's how it looks now.

Hell I account for the young guys playing being atleast solid and I still don't see more than 5 wins.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Their line was awful before last year. They overhauled the entire unit in 2008. That Falcons line did not have anything close to Brendan Albert or Brian Waters on it.

Michael Jenkins isn't serious talent. Roddy White is, but Jenkins isn't.

Their linebackers aren't even there anymore. Every single starter is new from 2 years ago. If Boley was so good, I'm sure they could have easily matched that Giant offer.

I'll give you Abraham, but everything else is questionable at best.

Their scheme was awful in 2007. Their coach was awful in 2007. The three QB's they played were awful in 2007.

If the line was so awful, how was Ryan able to perform at such a high-level and how was Michael Turner able to put up 1,500+ yards?

Please, don't tell me that Niswanger, Goff & ScIntosh could swap places with Atlanta without the Falcons missing a beat.

Take a look at their roster: The 2008 Falcons have FAR more talent than the 2009 Chiefs. It's not even close.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Gotcha.

So basically Atlanta can have young guys step up, but the Chiefs have no prayer.

What young guys for the Chiefs are going to step up? They have no young receivers outside of Bowe. They have no young linebackers. Richardson and Brown clearly aren't ready to help out the offensive line, otherwise, they'd be starting.

Where are the Chiefs game-changers? The guys that will put them over the top, week in and week out?

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Their scheme was awful in 2007. Their coach was awful in 2007. The three QB's they played were awful in 2007.

If the line was so awful, how was Ryan able to perform at such a high-level and how was Michael Turner able to put up 1,500+ yards?

Please, don't tell me that Niswanger, Goff & ScIntosh could swap places with Atlanta without the Falcons missing a beat.

Take a look at their roster: The 2008 Falcons have FAR more talent than the 2009 Chiefs. It's not even close.

I'm talking about the 2007 Falcons roster. They turned that 2008 roster over in basically one season.

My point is, with the right people in charge, teams can transition pretty quickly.

[Omar_Doom]

An NFL head coach that is a prick??? OMG!

Why cant he be nice like Gruden, Parcells, Cowher, Shula, COuglin etc etc?

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What young guys for the Chiefs are going to step up? They have no young receivers outside of Bowe. They have no young linebackers. Richardson and Brown clearly aren't ready to help out the offensive line, otherwise, they'd be starting.

Where are the Chiefs game-changers? The guys that will put them over the top, week in and week out?

Did you know who was going to step up for the Falcons? Did you think Sam Baker was going to turn into a solid LT?

Let the games be played before all these 4-5 year contender talk starts. Falcon fans never in a million years thought they'd be in contention last year.

Outside of Roddy White, the Falcons receivers leave a lot to be desired. Yes, Jenkins is a first round pick, but he's about as inconsistent as they come.