Bronco's make a trade

[LaChapelle]

Broncos acquire defensive lineman Smith from Patriots
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 17, 2009 11:27 AM ET
Five months after the Matt Cassel trade rumors reached Jay Cutler's sensitive ears, the Broncos and Patriots finally made a deal happen Monday.

This one won't shake up the rest of the league quite as much.

Fox's Alex Marvez has the terms: The Broncos acquired reserve defensive end Le Kevin Smith and a 2010 seventh-round pick from the Patriots in exchange for Denver's 2010 fifth-round selection.

Smith was a rarely used reserve since getting taken as a sixth-round pick in 2006, but will give Denver another body for their thin defensive line.

The move also takes care of some housekeeping for the Patriots. Denver's fifth-round pick will likely be sent to Oakland to complete the Derrick Burgess trade. Oakland also received a third-round pick in 2010 in that deal.

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

As for Smith, the Patriots trade for Burgess called for a 3rd and a 4th next year, but the 4th could be dropped to a 5th if the Patriots got one (the Patriots 5th went to Tampa in the trade for Smith the tight end).

Yeah, but this 5th from Denver is going to be too valuable to Belichick, since it'll probably be in the top three in the round. He'll swing a deal with the SB loser for their 5th to send to the Raiders instead.

[kcchiefsus]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Denver's DL is better than the Chiefs. Tyson Jackson will be a non factor this year, all rookie defensive lineman are.

Wow, your a ****ing tool. All rookie defensive linemen are non-factors? That's complete bullshit.

Denver's defensive line consists of nose tackle ronald fields (who has started all of 9 games in his career), DE Ryan McBean (a late round draft pick who let go by a 3-4 team), and DE Kenny Peterson who simply isn't very good.

It's not like we have a whole lot more experience but we sure as hell have alot more talent with two 1st round picks, a couple of 3rd round picks, and veterans like Alphonso Boone and Ron Edwards who are average at best yet still better than any scrub on your roster.

Any chump who claims Denver's defensive line is better than Kansas City's has a screw or two lose. But considering the source, that could have been said before you posted this bullcrap.

[Basileus777]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Eh, he's a perfectly serviceable spot player / backup. He made our team the last year or two. *shrug*

That's my impression of him as well. KnowMo seems to think more of him though.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Denver's DL is better than the Chiefs. Tyson Jackson will be a non factor this year, all rookie defensive lineman are.

Richard Seymour was starting by mid-way through his rookie season, and made a serious impact on our SB run.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

Any chump who claims Denver's defensive line is better than Kansas City's has a screw or two lose. But considering the source, that could have been said before you posted this bullcrap.

Both of you need to stop. At this point it's like watching two 9 year old girls have a slap fight over who is tougher. The only real answer is "neither."

I agree, however, that the Chiefs have more potential. More than likely, though, both KC and Denver will be in the bottom 10 in run defense this year.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Basileus777

That's my impression of him as well. KnowMo seems to think more of him though.

IIRC, LeKevin got some starts last year when Seymour was out.

But yeah, if he's your full time starter, you're not exactly happy about it. There's a world of difference between "good" and "doesn't suck". He's in the doesn't suck category, really.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Richard Seymour was starting by mid-way through his rookie season, and made a serious impact on our SB run.

Mario Williams, Glenn Dorsey, Albert Haynesworth, Chris Long, Sedrick Ellis, Lawrence Jackson, Kentwan Balmer, Haolit Ngata, Gaines Adams, Jamaal Anderson, Amobi Okoye, Adam Carikker, Justin Harrell, Jarvis Moss, Anthony Spencer, Kamerion Wimbley, Brodrick Bunkley, Tamba Hali, John McGargo, Mathias Kiwanuka, Travis Johnson, Erasmus James, Marcus Spears, Mike Patterson

Were all non factors their rookie years. Defensive lineman take longer to develop than any position other than QB.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Mario Williams, Glenn Dorsey, Albert Haynesworth, Chris Long, Sedrick Ellis, Lawrence Jackson, Kentwan Balmer, Haolit Ngata, Gaines Adams, Jamaal Anderson, Amobi Okoye, Adam Carikker, Justin Harrell, Jarvis Moss, Anthony Spencer, Kamerion Wimbley, Brodrick Bunkley, Tamba Hali, John McGargo, Mathias Kiwanuka, Travis Johnson, Erasmus James, Marcus Spears, Mike Patterson

Were all non factors their rookie years. Defensive lineman take longer to develop than any position other than QB.

Hali had 58 tackles and 8 sacks as a rookie


there are others in your list that disprove your obviously stupid claim....but you really aren't worth the effort....

[Quesadilla Joe]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Hali had 58 tackles and 8 sacks as a rookie


there are others in your list that disprove your obviously stupid claim....but you really aren't worth the effort....

That proved to be a fluke though. Jared Allen was the reason for that.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

Wow, your a ****ing tool. All rookie defensive linemen are non-factors? That's complete bullshit.

Denver's defensive line consists of nose tackle ronald fields (who has started all of 9 games in his career), DE Ryan McBean (a late round draft pick who let go by a 3-4 team), and DE Kenny Peterson who simply isn't very good.

It's not like we have a whole lot more experience but we sure as hell have alot more talent with two 1st round picks, a couple of 3rd round picks, and veterans like Alphonso Boone and Ron Edwards who are average at best yet still better than any scrub on your roster.

Any chump who claims Denver's defensive line is better than Kansas City's has a screw or two lose. But considering the source, that could have been said before you posted this bullcrap.

At this point I don't think I'd say Ron Edwards is better than anyone he's pretty much the epitome of scrub the rest of the point is fine though.

I'm sure someone around here likes Smith since he played college ball at Nebraska.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

That proved to be a fluke though. Jared Allen was the reason for that.

oh, when you're proven wrong you move the goal post....shocker

[alanm]

Originally Posted by JD10367

Never trust a man with "Le ..." as a name.

The only other thing I know like that was Le Car. And it sucked.

He didn't get to play much with the Pats. But he was pretty damn good with the Huskers. Which kills me since he's now a Bronco.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Mario Williams, Glenn Dorsey, Albert Haynesworth, Chris Long, Sedrick Ellis, Lawrence Jackson, Kentwan Balmer, Haolit Ngata, Gaines Adams, Jamaal Anderson, Amobi Okoye, Adam Carikker, Justin Harrell, Jarvis Moss, Anthony Spencer, Kamerion Wimbley, Brodrick Bunkley, Tamba Hali, John McGargo, Mathias Kiwanuka, Travis Johnson, Erasmus James, Marcus Spears, Mike Patterson

Were all non factors their rookie years. Defensive lineman take longer to develop than any position other than QB.

Nah. WR. WR is about the worst there is. Sure, you can point to an odd Terry Glenn or whatever, but usually WRs, whether destined to be great or mediocre, don't do much worth talking about their rookie years.

You listed a whole bunch of guys who aren't likely to be great NFL players in their 5th year, much less their first.

I can probably name more DLinemen that were impressive in their rookie years than WR, especially if they are pass rushers.

Dwight Freeney, Terrell Suggs, Vince Wilfork (also started late in his rookie year, though he was really sharing time with Tractor Traylor), Richard Seymour, Bruce Smith.

But anyway -- see above for the 9 year old girls slapfight. I'm a Patriots fan and from here, your two teams' defensive lines aren't exactly impressing the hell outta me.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

oh, when you're proven wrong you move the goal post....shocker

You pointed out one name out of the 20 or so I listed. I will give you Tamba if you really want.

Everyone here knows that defensive lineman take a while to develop. I'm not saying that Tyson Jackson will not be a good player someday, but odds are that he won't be good right out of the gate.

[Mecca]

WR/QB/DT is the toughest, LB and RB the easiest.

I'd probably put the rest pretty close together.