Chiefs I am afraid that Haley might have lost the team today. - Page 19

SenselessChiefsFan · 09-27-2009, 02:27 PM

With the Chiefs trailing huge, the Chiefs went into a shell. It appeared that he quit calling plays trying to win.

That combined with his arrogance, and hardass attituded towards everyone...... he could have a very, very short shelf life.

I cannot believe how conservative that game was called. I understand protecting the QB... but you have give yourself a chance to win the game.

My biggest gripe about Herm was the conservative play calling.... and Haley has made him look like Al Saunders.

It is hard to keep a team from giving up when the head coach calls a game like he gave up midway through the third quarter.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-27-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Not saying he is Roaf but isn't that what the Saints thought of Willie?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-27-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Last year everyone raved about Albert...now everyone says he is sucking...

Everyone griped that we needed to cut Macintosh, we did...and now people are griping...

Some of you should offer to give Haley and Pioli some of your expertise on picking players...or lend them your crystal ball, either one.

Albert's poor play is still a result of new technique and the weight loss, IMO. I'm not throwing him under the bus, nor are most of the knowledgeable posters.

As far as DMac is concerned, no one was advocating replacing his ass with Chris Terry or Kyle Turley. We wanted an upgrade, not a swinging dick for the case of a swinging dick.

milkman · 09-27-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

There are some tangential connections in this post.

Think of all the posters on this site whom you consider knowledgeable about football: are these people bitching about Albert?

Yes, we needed to cut Sackintosh...AND replace him with someone better, not worse.

And, based on what we've seen thus far, Pioli could profit from a little advice....

Albert is struggling in trying to learn technique, and he has no supporter as high on him as me.

But he does need to be sat down in this period of struggle while he is working on technique, cause he is playing as badly as is being stated.

Playing him right now could ruin his confidence.

But the fact that we we don't have anyone to play in his place and he and the Chiefs are ****ed.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-27-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

I know you haven't. I have 168 employees that work for me and some of them regardless of the direction you give them make the dumbest mistakes you ever saw.

This is the NFL, not a ****ing sheltered workshop.

**DeezNutz** · 09-27-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Playing him right now could ruin his confidence.

It might.

But if it does, he was never the player we thought or hoped he was.

milkman · 09-27-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Goff played really well last year. You think that may have been what they valuated him on?

No, Goff was clearly in decline last year, and Charger fans were calling for anyone to replace him.

**petegz28** · 09-27-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Albert's poor play is still a result of new technique and the weight loss, IMO. I'm not throwing him under the bus, nor are most of the knowledgeable posters.

As far as DMac is concerned, no one was advocating replacing his ass with Chris Terry or Kyle Turley. We wanted an upgrade, not a swinging dick for the case of a swinging dick.

I guess the coaches didn't want to upgrade as bad as the fans?

**petegz28** · 09-27-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

It might.

But if it does, he was never the player we thought or hoped he was.

Right now Albert was hardly worth trading Allen.

Marcellus · 09-27-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

This is the NFL, not a ****ing sheltered workshop.

Nice try smart ass.

I work at a place that has one of the highest avg paying salaries in the area. I guarantee its better than KC's average in the NFL.

problem is whether it's the NFL or ****ing MCDonald's there is a comparison between the expected performance of your employee base and the actual performance and what you can do about it.

Laugh if you want but anybody who hires or manages people will tell you the same thing.

What you want and what you have is not easily corrected in either environment and sometimes people just plain let you down.

Chieficus · 09-27-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Building a football team and building a company with a bunch of employees isn't that much different. You can't turn either around in a short period of time.

Good point. I think that's the bigger picture here. A lot of people are whining about the o-line and what shoulda/coulda happened. Well, the o-line is just a small fraction.

What this team needed was a near-complete overhaul: We needed to replace 1 if not both safeties, with the switch to a 3-4: 3 LBs, 3 DLs, then also: C, G, T, WR, QB, KR/PR, and while it was lower priority maybe even HB. That's at minimum 1/2 a team's worth of starters and doesn't even begin to address depth at those positions. Not to mention the complete dearth of leadership that was on the team.

I'd like to see the GM that can come to a laughing stock of a team and even begin to fix every phase of that in one offseason.

They had to prioritize, and with the draft, they decided to set their aim on the DL and QB (with the trade); then maybe see what they could happen to fill with the later picks.

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Uh dude, signing and trading for upwards of 10 players during preseason is panic.

I think it only qualifies as panic when you think you're a player or two away and find out you're not at the last moment, so you start reaching at straws to make yourself better than you are. I don't think our owner, GM, or coach ever had that illusion.

When you have a seriously talentless team you pick a place and start working. That's what they did. The rest of it is trying to find the right sized finger to plug the hole in your dam until you can get the proper fix...

milkman · 09-27-2009, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

Why is that assumed to be true? Before Pioli was hired, be it here or in Cleveland, all anyone talked about was how he was going to hire Josh McDaniels or Kirk Ferentz. There's no guarantees with such things.

You're right.

I am just speculating, but the fact is, most new GMs go with someone they have, or have had a working relationship with.

For DeCosta that is a shorter list than Pioli's, who's been in the league for much longer.

**Smed1065** · 09-27-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It is amusing.

Said the wait person. Now just pile......

3 weeks in and U know better? LOL

U right, it is amazing U R still posting!

milkman · 09-27-2009, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

It might.

But if it does, he was never the player we thought or hoped he was.

I think every player who goes through a learning period and struggles loses their confidence.

Some don't overcome it.

Some do.

I think Albert is one that would, but I think also that it does slow the process, which is my primary concern with Albert right now.

**Smed1065** · 09-27-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

You're right.

I am just speculating, but the fact is, most new GMs go with someone they have, or have had a working relationship with.

For DeCosta that is a shorter list than Pioli's, who's been in the league for much longer.

Guess your jerk IM, did not work out? Idiot!!!

milkman · 09-27-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Smed1065

Said the wait person. Now just pile......

3 weeks in and U know better? LOL

U right, it is amazing U R still posting!

I always enjoy these pearls of wisdom.

Now if only I knew what any of them mean.

09-27-2009, 02:27 PM
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	I am afraid that Haley might have lost the team today. With the Chiefs trailing huge, the Chiefs went into a shell. It appeared that he quit calling plays trying to win. That combined with his arrogance, and hardass attituded towards everyone...... he could have a very, very short shelf life. I cannot believe how conservative that game was called. I understand protecting the QB... but you have give yourself a chance to win the game. My biggest gripe about Herm was the conservative play calling.... and Haley has made him look like Al Saunders. It is hard to keep a team from giving up when the head coach calls a game like he gave up midway through the third quarter.
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