I like what Haley did yesterday...

[petegz28]

3 yards rushing in the 1st half? No, you are going to run the ****ing ball. You are not going to be allowed to drop back and watch your QB get killed because you can't run the ****ing ball. It is similar to making a hitter lay a bunt down with 2 strikes after he couldn't do it on strikes 1 and 2.

Fatlock can cry that Haley isn't treating them like men all he wants. He needs to stick to his doublestuffs. This team isn't going to compete for a playoff spot anyway so this is exactly the time to pull stunts like this. You want to win? You have to learn how to block. You have to learn how to run the ball. 3 ****ing yards in 1 half is pathetic and I don't blame Haley one bit for what he did.

It isn't like we had 30 yards in the 1st half..we had 3. Three. Unacceptable, PERIOD! Dropping back to pass would have resulted in Cassel being broken into pieces.

I don't know what game Fatlock and some others watched, but I saw one that showed me our O line was there in name only. Had we dropped back, which is exactly what Philly wanted, we would be cussing about the picks Cassel threw or the fact that Brokie would be the starter for the next several weeks cause of Cassel being hurt.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by philfree

I don't know, Mr. Fax. I mean how many of the penalties were holding penalties in yesterdays game? I don't think the holding penalties are due to coaching in our situation. Our guys aren't good enough to block so they have to hold. I think Haley has proven that caoching ain't these guys problem. Maybe if they would at least improve their holding maybe they wouldn't allow as may sacks..

PhilFree

I honestly didn't count the number of holding calls against us, Mr. philfree. I think it was 4 of the 10, but I'm pretty sure one of those was on a wideout (Bradley, I think). They say that the officials could call holding on almost any play if they wanted to. We seem to get caught a lot, though.

Besides, it's true that some coaches would rather see a holding call than a dead quarterback. But guys hold when they're beaten. And, guys are beaten when they lack proper technique or are merely physically overmatched. You're right that you can't coach up the latter problem.

But, Haley freely acknowledged that the penalties were a coaching issue and when asked about it said, "that's on me". It seems as though we've had a variety of penalties in the last two weeks that weren't holding, though; Roughing the Passer, PIs, Delay of Game, Facemasks, Offsides, False Starts, etc. Although a couple were arguably bad calls, those kinds of penalties are typically related to an overabundance of either adrenalin or stupidness of the brain or both.

Haley says we're going to be a "smart team". We'll see if he can deliver.

FAX

[Chief Faithful]

Originally Posted by FAX

Which plays entirely into the whole "ego" mystique that's being created around Pioli and Haley. The entire "my way or the highway" thing.

I don't know if the players believe in Haley or not - at least to the point that they're doing everything what he calls, "our way". I'm assuming they don't. Otherwise, he wouldn't be benching guys or engaging in this sort of bizarre tactic.

However, if they don't believe in him, it's moot because they're not going to be here. And, if they do believe in him, they should have gotten the point somewhere around the 4th quarter whistle yesterday. These players have run into a buzz saw. Do it right or lose a valued appendage.

Some people are going to applaud the attitude because these guys get paid to perform. Others are going to side with the players and demean Haley and Pioli as ego-driven megalomaniacs who don't know how to manage players. Personally, I just want to see our o-line block somebody. If it takes a bitch of a coach to accomplish that, so be it.

FAX

Absolutely! What do people think Haley meant when he told Waters he can win 2 games with 22 players off the street?

The offensive line received a big message yesterday, they will run the ball and if you can't make the blocks you will not be long for this team. The expectation has been set in stone and now we will see who steps up to the challenge. No more fancy trick offense they are going to run a NFL offense and in time they will find the players to run it.

I am more convinced now then ever that Pioli and Haley are the right combination for this team.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by philfree

I don't know, Mr. Fax. I mean how many of the penalties were holding penalties in yesterdays game? I don't think the holding penalties are due to coaching in our situation. Our guys aren't good enough to block so they have to hold. I think Haley has proven that caoching ain't these guys problem. Maybe if they would at least improve their holding maybe they wouldn't allow as may sacks..

PhilFree

He needs to have the same standard for the guys making stupid penalties that he does for DJ, Bowe, etc. Big Irish should start at RT for starters.

[Chiefnj2]

You send messages in camp and in preseason. On Sundays you try to win the game, especially when you are going against the backup QB and HB.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

Absolutely! What do people think Haley meant when he told Waters he can win 2 games with 22 players off the street?

The offensive line received a big message yesterday, they will run the ball and if you can't make the blocks you will not be long for this team. The expectation has been set in stone and now we will see who steps up to the challenge. No more fancy trick offense they are going to run a NFL offense and in time they will find the players to run it.

I am more convinced now then ever that Pioli and Haley are the right combination for this team.

I don't think Haley is the metaphoric type, sooooo....I think he meant that good coaching could improve any groupl of NFL players, and now he's beginning to learn otherwise.

"No more fancy trick offense"? Did we just come off the Herm era? If you're alluding to the pistol, neither of those two adjectives are applicable, IMO.

[Tylerthigpen!1!]

did the chiefs run any screens yesterday?

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by Tylerthigpen!1!

did the chiefs run any screens yesterday?

I believe they attempted a TE screen at one point, seriously.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by petegz28

3 yards rushing in the 1st half? No, you are going to run the ****ing ball. You are not going to be allowed to drop back and watch your QB get killed because you can't run the ****ing ball. It is similar to making a hitter lay a bunt down with 2 strikes after he couldn't do it on strikes 1 and 2.

Fatlock can cry that Haley isn't treating them like men all he wants. He needs to stick to his doublestuffs. This team isn't going to compete for a playoff spot anyway so this is exactly the time to pull stunts like this. You want to win? You have to learn how to block. You have to learn how to run the ball. 3 ****ing yards in 1 half is pathetic and I don't blame Haley one bit for what he did.

It isn't like we had 30 yards in the 1st half..we had 3. Three. Unacceptable, PERIOD! Dropping back to pass would have resulted in Cassel being broken into pieces.

I don't know what game Fatlock and some others watched, but I saw one that showed me our O line was there in name only. Had we dropped back, which is exactly what Philly wanted, we would be cussing about the picks Cassel threw or the fact that Brokie would be the starter for the next several weeks cause of Cassel being hurt.

It is amazing that the lengths some of you will go to in order to avoid criticizing anyone in this regime.

Look, it's this ****ing simple: Todd Haley can and will make mistakes. So will Scott Pioli. If you don't acknowledge this fact, you come off as a ****ing flat earther.

That second half was abysmal. You don't ****ing quit in a game. Period. If you don't want your investment to die, then yank his ass, but you don't ****ing quit on the guys who busted their ass all through OTAs, minicamps, and training camp. That's ****ing bullshit. End of story.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

I believe they attempted a TE screen at one point, seriously.

They ran a couple of WR screens too. Of course one of them resulted in a 10-yard loss because our WR's are too dumb to realize you don't start your block before the ball is thrown.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by petegz28

If Haley pulls this again then we proably have something to bitch about. But I am all for him sending this team a message. That was some of the worst O-Line play I have seen in a long time.

Yeah, and yesterday it was the ****ing refs who kept screwing us.

Keep changing the narrative to fit your ends.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yeah, and yesterday it was the ****ing refs who kept screwing us.

Keep changing the narrative to fit your ends.

We're good with obtuse messages at this point: we're sending a message...it's a process...the right 53...

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

Absolutely! What do people think Haley meant when he told Waters he can win 2 games with 22 players off the street?

The offensive line received a big message yesterday, they will run the ball and if you can't make the blocks you will not be long for this team. The expectation has been set in stone and now we will see who steps up to the challenge. No more fancy trick offense they are going to run a NFL offense and in time they will find the players to run it.

I am more convinced now then ever that Pioli and Haley are the right combination for this team.

Did any of your relatives die at Jonestown?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yeah, and yesterday it was the ****ing refs who kept screwing us.

Keep changing the narrative to fit your ends.

I never once said the refs were ****ing us. I just said they were not making blatant holding calls on Philly. Not once did I say it was effecting the outcome. The most I said was it didn't help.

[dallaschiefsfan]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It is amazing that the lengths some of you will go to in order to avoid criticizing anyone in this regime.

Look, it's this ****ing simple: Todd Haley can and will make mistakes. So will Scott Pioli. If you don't acknowledge this fact, you come off as a ****ing flat earther.

That second half was abysmal. You don't ****ing quit in a game. Period. If you don't want your investment to die, then yank his ass, but you don't ****ing quit on the guys who busted their ass all through OTAs, minicamps, and training camp. That's ****ing bullshit. End of story.

I'm pretty confident that anyone who is reasonable and has at least SOME knowledge of the game would freely admit that both the coach and front office (even this one) has and will make mistakes. However, "the sky is falling" folk make it a little hard not to swing the pendulum the other way.

I mean...it's just STOOPID to start making wide-sweeping statements regarding a coach and a front office that has had one off season, one pre-season and 3 regular season games. You can argue fine points, but not the big picture.

You want to continue to lose and delay the inevitable and have happy players and a happy Whitlock...you should have kept Herm and fired Peterson.

You want to win now in a mediocre division as another thread suggested? You should have hired Marty again and he would have won this division somehow...and you would lose in the playoffs every chance you got.

You want to build a long-term winning organization that will begin laying the foundations that will pay off in years 3 and 4. You do what we've done in hiring from a good coaching/personnel tree and hope they have some of the same talents for coaching and evaluation as their predecessors. They might not...but at least under this option, you've tried to win a championship.

I still recall Jimmy Johnson taking over in Dallas and what a piece of crap the cowboys were under his "style" of coaching. It eventually sunk in...and they did pretty well.

None of you will remember or care about this season if Haley brings the Chiefs a Superbowl.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I might give you the 4th down call. The Onside kick did not hurt us at all. The play at the end of the half was on Cassel.

And again, penalties are rarely the fault of the coach. Haley did not make players jump on a QB and draw a PF.

When the team has a ton of penalties over the preseason and the two of the first three games.... it is coaching.

When the coaches and GM preach about the 'right' 53..., they better freaking play smart football.

The play at the end of the half was equally on Haley. Sorry, but the QB should be told right before that play, that no matter what, you don't thorw it in bounds.

But, the bigger issue was not having timeouts because he couldn't get the play in quick enough... mainly because he fired his OC in the last week of preseason.

I really like the 'accountability' aspect of Haley, but there is also very much that I am growing not to like.