Chiefs What were your impressions of the game? - Page 4

htismaqe · 10-05-2009, 08:24 AM

The game wasn't on in my market yesterday and radio coverage was spotty all day, so I only heard portions of the game.

Who played well? Who didn't? Were there any surprises?

For example, it sounded to me like maybe Big Irish at RT was what most of us expected - a little better at run blocking, a little worse at pass blocking.

Give me your take.

Sure-Oz · 10-05-2009, 11:05 AM

We still suck...

Why run routes 10 yards when its 4th and 27, no downfield passing ever

**Buehler445** · 10-05-2009, 11:06 AM

Oh. I forgot. Corey Mays had a couple very very nice run stuffs. I wish that guy could cover.
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**ChiTown** · 10-05-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

My impression was that KC has yet to field a football team in the 09' season.

11 guys off the street can win two games..............my ass

Haley is going to regret saying that.

Chiefnj2 · 10-05-2009, 11:09 AM

Gretz sums up the offensive offense:

RUNNING GAME – The Chiefs ran for 105 yards, or 4.2 yards per carry. Cassel had 25 of those yards on scrambles away from pass rush pressure, so the running backs produced just 80 yards on 21 carries. Larry Johnson had 53 yards on 18 carries and now has 189 yards in four games. The Chiefs are averaging 101.5 yards per game.

There was something about that performance that Todd Haley liked.

“I think running the football has been an encouragement to me,” Haley said. “We set out today to try and run the football a little bit and I thought we did that some. I would say running the football is starting to show up as something we can do.”

PASSING GAME – This was ugly against the Giants. Cassel was 15 of 32 for 127 yards, with two TD passes and no interceptions. The longest pass play of the game for the Chiefs was a 43-yard pitch from Cassel to TE Sean Ryan. The longest catch by a wide receiver was an 18-yarder by WR Bobby Engram. On the season, the Chiefs are averaging 145 yards passing per game. As a team, they are averaging 5.8 yards per attempt.

PASS PROTECTION – The Giants defense came into the game with three sacks in three games. Everyone knew that type of production wouldn’t last long. Against the Chiefs, New York got five sacks in 37 passing plays or one every 7.4 passing plays. Cassel was hit many more times and at one point looked like he may have dinged that bad left knee of his.

How was the protection Matt?

“I think they’re doing a good job,” Cassel said. “They’re out there giving 110 percent each and every play.”

And here was the key line from Cassel: “We’re just going to continue to work at it until we get it right.”

In four games, Chiefs QBs have been sacked 13 times in 127 passing plays, that’s a sack every 10 times the Chiefs go back to pass.

CONVERTING THIRD DOWNS – Last week it was 0 for 11 against the Eagles. Sunday against the Giants they were two of 15. That’s two of 26 or just about as bad as you can get.

Here is the third down tale of woe:

* 3rd-and-8 at the KC 23 – Cassel was flushed from the pocket ran for six yards and fumbled the ball. Cassel recovered but the Chiefs were two yards short.
* 3rd-and-5 at NY 16 – Cassel’s throw to WR Bobby Engram bounced off the helmet of LB Michael Boley.
* 3rd-and-9 at KC 21 – TE Sean Ryan caught Cassel’s throw but gained just four yards.
* 3rd-and-10 at KC 30 – Cassel to RB Larry Johnson went for minus-one yard.
* 3rd-and-9 at KC 11 – WR Bobby Wade caught a pass but was tackled for a six-yard gain.
* 3rd-and-8 at KC 26 – Cassel to Engram for 18 yards and a FIRST DOWN.
* 3rd-and-13 at KC 41 – Cassel’s pass to WR Mark Bradley was good for nine yards.
* 3rd-and-18 at KC 16 – Bradley caught a pass for 10 yards.
* 3rd-and 7 at KC 45 – Cassel was sacked for a 10-yard loss by DE Osi Umenyiora.
* 3rd-and-11 at NY 30 – Incomplete pass to WR Dwayne Bowe.
* 3rd-and-11 at NY 10 – Incomplete pass to Engram.
* 3rd-and-7 at KC 44 – Cassel scrambles for 12 yards and a FIRST DOWN.
* 3rd-and-11 at NY 11 – Incomplete pass to Johnson.
* 3rd-and-2 at NY 2 – Incomplete pass to Wade.
* 3rd-and-27 at KC 15 – Incomplete pass to Wade.

On 11 of those 15 third downs, the distance to move the sticks was eight yards or more. Those kind of distances does not provide good chances to succeed.

On third down, Cassel was six of 12 for 46 yards.

Fish · 10-05-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

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For a team that sucks ass, they are certainly more spirited than anything we've seen here in several years.
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That's a good point. Most of the players are playing hard, despite the suckage. That's one thing that did impress me about this game.

And dude... that's a lot to write on your mobile device...

htismaqe · 10-05-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

11 guys off the street can win two games..............my ass

Haley is going to regret saying that.

Why would he regret it? The people he's REALLY accountable to don't care as much as the fans...

eazyb81 · 10-05-2009, 11:10 AM

1. Cassel is much worse than I expected he would be.

2. We are, without a doubt, the worst team in the league.

3. We are worse than at any point during the Herm era.

Sure-Oz · 10-05-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

1. Cassel is much worse than I expected he would be.

2. We are, without a doubt, the worst team in the league.

3. We are worse than at any point during the Herm era.

He has made some bad decisions for sure, but he has the happy feet thing going. I wonder how well tom brady would do behind this line.

Reerun_KC · 10-05-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

There were some good things. Most notably we did not get completely obliterated by Jacobs, which I fully expected. If you stack up the run defense from yesterday and compare it to Carolina and Tennessee from last year, major improvement. Jacobs got his and we gave up some, but given how NYG runs on everyone, I was pleased.

Got pressure occasionally, but nothing to affect a series. Coverage had some really nice bright spots, but Steve Smith was typically WIDE THE **** OPEN. Not making contested or difficult catches, WIDE THE **** OPEN. I have no clue what was going on. Our safeties blow. Boss hurt us some, but not as bad as I thought he would. It could be that our LBs are better in coverage than we anticipated or they didn't look his way because Steve Smith was typically WIDE THE **** OPEN.

Cassel played like ass. He got hit a lot and was always under pressure. Always. I only remember one time where he got protection (on a 3 step drop) and threw a perfect ball. He overthrew DBowe twice. It looked like Bowe wasn't full speed. Wade biffed a WR screen. None of the WRs did...anything.

Albert had a false start. Lots of missed assignments. Lots of getting blown off the ball. Lots of running draw plays, where instead of a hole, there were 2 LBs sprinting into the backfield. Lots of plays where the dude lined up over guard would step through the hole and hit Cassel/LJ right after the handoff. Just horrid line play. Horrid.

Officiating was really really bad. All over the place. Unacceptably bad.

Chiefs players were chippy. Lots of scuffles. Tyler got a personal foul penalty for ****ing with Bradshaw (who also got an offsetting penalty and was running his mouth all ****ing day), when given the opportunity, the D would lay some lumber, Vrable was in the face of the officials (rightfully so) quite a bit. For a team that sucks ass, they are certainly more spirited than anything we've seen here in several years.
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This!

I give it up to Haley and the team.. They sure show alot of fire and passion even though they suck ass 90% of the time...

**morphius** · 10-05-2009, 11:13 AM

I thought straight up line played better and the running game looked better, especially considered who they were facing. Picking up blitzes is still a big issue. Way, way too many WR/TE type of screens in this offense going for no gain, especially on 3rd down. Offense never gets in sync, and forces our D to play a long time. Both Flowers and Carr had some great plays, but at the same time Smith could seem to get wide open whenever they needed a big play for a first down. Cassel still holds the ball for to long, but it isn't like we can see if anyone is getting open either.

It is really hard to tell much, when you only get 1 first down in the first half week after week, it really doesn't let you establish anything, nor can you break into your play book. Haley needs to get in a QB coach, its one thing to run the O and the Team during a game, but who is working with the QB on the sideline between series?

**ChiTown** · 10-05-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Why would he regret it? The people he's REALLY accountable to don't care as much as the fans...

Media people and fans care. They'll become more and more vocal as the season continues to go 0-fer. That was my point. I assume, and maybe wrongfully, that it could become an irritant to him.

We shall see.

eazyb81 · 10-05-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

He has made some bad decisions for sure, but he has the happy feet thing going. I wonder how well tom brady would do behind this line.

Tom Brady has 10x the touch on his passes that Cassel does. Yesterday Cassel was routinely overthrowing and underthrowing his WRs.

I'm not going to rag on him for having to hurry some passes due to the line, but when he does have time and still misses, he needs to be called on it.

Sure-Oz · 10-05-2009, 11:14 AM

I do agree that this team has more fire than i've seen, it sucks the refs took out the aggressiveness from our safeties early with that shitty penalty call

Reerun_KC · 10-05-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

That's a good point. Most of the players are playing hard, despite the suckage. That's one thing that did impress me about this game.

And dude... that's a lot to write on your mobile device...

Buehler isnt smart enough to use a PC... So he can only use his mobile device... Probably was in his office doing some paperwork...

Also agree Fish guy. They are playing hard, regardless of the suck, they arent giving up... Reflects the passion of the Head Coach...

Chiefnj2 · 10-05-2009, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

Tom Brady has 10x the touch on his passes that Cassel does. Yesterday Cassel was routinely overthrowing and underthrowing his WRs.

I'm not going to rag on him for having to hurry some passes due to the line, but when he does have time and still misses, he needs to be called on it.

Of course he's overthrowing receivers. They changed the offense a week before the season. Cassel was hurt a game. In practice they benched the top receiver or had him running 3rd string. Wade was brought in recently. There is a revolving door with the HBs. There has been no time to develop any chemistry or consistency.

10-05-2009, 08:24 AM
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8119900	What were your impressions of the game? The game wasn't on in my market yesterday and radio coverage was spotty all day, so I only heard portions of the game. Who played well? Who didn't? Were there any surprises? For example, it sounded to me like maybe Big Irish at RT was what most of us expected - a little better at run blocking, a little worse at pass blocking. Give me your take.
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10-05-2009, 11:05 AM	#46
Sure-Oz Stay positive, don't give up Join Date: Dec 2001 Casino cash: $1669383	We still suck... Why run routes 10 yards when its 4th and 27, no downfield passing ever
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10-05-2009, 11:09 AM	#49
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	Gretz sums up the offensive offense: RUNNING GAME – The Chiefs ran for 105 yards, or 4.2 yards per carry. Cassel had 25 of those yards on scrambles away from pass rush pressure, so the running backs produced just 80 yards on 21 carries. Larry Johnson had 53 yards on 18 carries and now has 189 yards in four games. The Chiefs are averaging 101.5 yards per game. There was something about that performance that Todd Haley liked. “I think running the football has been an encouragement to me,” Haley said. “We set out today to try and run the football a little bit and I thought we did that some. I would say running the football is starting to show up as something we can do.” PASSING GAME – This was ugly against the Giants. Cassel was 15 of 32 for 127 yards, with two TD passes and no interceptions. The longest pass play of the game for the Chiefs was a 43-yard pitch from Cassel to TE Sean Ryan. The longest catch by a wide receiver was an 18-yarder by WR Bobby Engram. On the season, the Chiefs are averaging 145 yards passing per game. As a team, they are averaging 5.8 yards per attempt. PASS PROTECTION – The Giants defense came into the game with three sacks in three games. Everyone knew that type of production wouldn’t last long. Against the Chiefs, New York got five sacks in 37 passing plays or one every 7.4 passing plays. Cassel was hit many more times and at one point looked like he may have dinged that bad left knee of his. How was the protection Matt? “I think they’re doing a good job,” Cassel said. “They’re out there giving 110 percent each and every play.” And here was the key line from Cassel: “We’re just going to continue to work at it until we get it right.” In four games, Chiefs QBs have been sacked 13 times in 127 passing plays, that’s a sack every 10 times the Chiefs go back to pass. CONVERTING THIRD DOWNS – Last week it was 0 for 11 against the Eagles. Sunday against the Giants they were two of 15. That’s two of 26 or just about as bad as you can get. Here is the third down tale of woe: * 3rd-and-8 at the KC 23 – Cassel was flushed from the pocket ran for six yards and fumbled the ball. Cassel recovered but the Chiefs were two yards short. * 3rd-and-5 at NY 16 – Cassel’s throw to WR Bobby Engram bounced off the helmet of LB Michael Boley. * 3rd-and-9 at KC 21 – TE Sean Ryan caught Cassel’s throw but gained just four yards. * 3rd-and-10 at KC 30 – Cassel to RB Larry Johnson went for minus-one yard. * 3rd-and-9 at KC 11 – WR Bobby Wade caught a pass but was tackled for a six-yard gain. * 3rd-and-8 at KC 26 – Cassel to Engram for 18 yards and a FIRST DOWN. * 3rd-and-13 at KC 41 – Cassel’s pass to WR Mark Bradley was good for nine yards. * 3rd-and-18 at KC 16 – Bradley caught a pass for 10 yards. * 3rd-and 7 at KC 45 – Cassel was sacked for a 10-yard loss by DE Osi Umenyiora. * 3rd-and-11 at NY 30 – Incomplete pass to WR Dwayne Bowe. * 3rd-and-11 at NY 10 – Incomplete pass to Engram. * 3rd-and-7 at KC 44 – Cassel scrambles for 12 yards and a FIRST DOWN. * 3rd-and-11 at NY 11 – Incomplete pass to Johnson. * 3rd-and-2 at NY 2 – Incomplete pass to Wade. * 3rd-and-27 at KC 15 – Incomplete pass to Wade. On 11 of those 15 third downs, the distance to move the sticks was eight yards or more. Those kind of distances does not provide good chances to succeed. On third down, Cassel was six of 12 for 46 yards. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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10-05-2009, 11:10 AM	#52
eazyb81 The Illuminati Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: the road less traveled Casino cash: $9984900	1. Cassel is much worse than I expected he would be. 2. We are, without a doubt, the worst team in the league. 3. We are worse than at any point during the Herm era.
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10-05-2009, 11:13 AM	#55
morphius World's finest morphius Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $5745027	I thought straight up line played better and the running game looked better, especially considered who they were facing. Picking up blitzes is still a big issue. Way, way too many WR/TE type of screens in this offense going for no gain, especially on 3rd down. Offense never gets in sync, and forces our D to play a long time. Both Flowers and Carr had some great plays, but at the same time Smith could seem to get wide open whenever they needed a big play for a first down. Cassel still holds the ball for to long, but it isn't like we can see if anyone is getting open either. It is really hard to tell much, when you only get 1 first down in the first half week after week, it really doesn't let you establish anything, nor can you break into your play book. Haley needs to get in a QB coach, its one thing to run the O and the Team during a game, but who is working with the QB on the sideline between series?
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10-05-2009, 11:14 AM	#58
Sure-Oz Stay positive, don't give up Join Date: Dec 2001 Casino cash: $1669383	I do agree that this team has more fire than i've seen, it sucks the refs took out the aggressiveness from our safeties early with that shitty penalty call
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