Brady has lost 5 with the same players Matt had...

[Red Dawg]

just saying Matt haters need to get real. The team is awful not Matt.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

I think they would have beaten Denver, Miami, and Indy with McDaniels.

Nobody will ever know...

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

I think ......

no, no you dont! liar!

j/k

but man, put the bottle of whiskey down, its too early son!

[memyselfI]

I love this.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Originally Posted by BossChief

no, no you dont! liar!

j/k

but man, put the bottle of whiskey down, its too early son!

They also would have beaten the Jets if they had Josh McDaniels

[The Bad Guy]

So Josh McDaniels would have played defense too?

You are honestly the worst type of homer, the one who has no logic, who talks out of their ass every post, and someone who everyone should typically want to smash in the face.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

So Josh McDaniels would have played defense too?

You are honestly the worst type of homer, the one who has no logic, who talks out of their ass every post, and someone who everyone should typically want to smash in the face.

Obviously I am just giving my opinion and there is no way to know. All I know is Belicheat has been getting criticized for the playcalling.

When Belicheat goes for it on 4th down they are stopped short. When McDaniels goes for it on 4th down well... This happens.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by DBOSHO

Yep. Cause the patriots defense hasnt drastically declined since last year.

Statistically, the defense isn't that bad.

Of course, statistics are lying in this case. The defense is highly mediocre.

But the offense ain't so great either. Awful in the red zone, awful in the last 2 minutes of each half, awful in the 2nd half in general, and seemingly unable to get it done under pressure.

Brady has thrown two picks in the red zone in the last 4 weeks (after going something like 300 attempts in a row in the red zone without throwing one).

The Patriots have beaten ZERO teams iwth a winning record this year, and are 7-5 depsite a realtivelyweak schedule. The team just isn't that good. It appears to be a transition year, though we still have Brady/Moss/Welker.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

just saying Matt haters need to get real. The team is awful not Matt.

So, how's that working out for you? Convince everybody yet?

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Obviously I am just giving my opinion and there is no way to know. All I know is Belicheat has been getting criticized for the playcalling.

When Belicheat goes for it on 4th down they are stopped short. When McDaniels goes for it on 4th down well... This happens.

You know, there are times when you really go over the top... you act as if McD is the greatest out there. If he were... they would not have lost to the Redskins.

NE is 50% on 4th down this year, going 8 for 16.
DEN is 33% on 4th down this year, going 4 for 12.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

The Patriots have beaten ZERO teams with a winning record this year, and are 7-5 despite a relatively weak schedule. The team just isn't that good. It appears to be a transition year, though we still have Brady/Moss/Welker.

I really haven't paid much attention to NE's schedule but there were some on here claiming NE's record this year was worse than last because of their much tougher schedule.

Interesting.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I really haven't paid much attention to NE's schedule but there were some on here claiming NE's record this year was worse than last because of their much tougher schedule.

Interesting.

Let's see, the Patriots are 7-5...

Defeated:
Bills (4-8)
Falcons (6-6)
Ravens (6-6)
Titans (5-7)
Bucs (1-11)
Dolphins (6-6)
Jets (6-6)

Lost to:
Jets (6-6)
Broncos (8-4)
Colts (12-0)
Saints (12-0)
Dolphins (6-6)

So, through 12 games... they've played 3 teams with records better than .500 and lost all 3. They have split with the Dolpins and Jets, both 6-6. And, they smacked around the Bills (by 1 point), Titans and Bucs.

I never looked at it like that, but yeah... they've been very underwhelming and yet, they're still leading the AFCE by a game. They're fortunate in that regard.

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Just for giggles and grins...

Denver has defeated:
Bengals (9-3)
Browns (1-11)
Raiders (4-8)
Cowboys (8-4)
Patriots (7-5)
Chargers (9-3)
Giants (7-5)
Chiefs (3-9)

Denver has lost to:
Ravens (6-6)
Steelers (6-6)
Redskins (3-9)
Chargers (9-3)

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I really haven't paid much attention to NE's schedule but there were some on here claiming NE's record this year was worse than last because of their much tougher schedule.

Interesting.

Their schedule is tougher.

2009: Opponents have a .516 winning percentage

2008: Opponents had a .480 winning percentage

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Their schedule is tougher.

2009: Opponents have a .516 winning percentage

2008: Opponents had a .480 winning percentage

Stats are great... the 2009 numbers are skewed a bit by the two 12-0 teams on their schedule. NE has only played 3 teams with a record OVER .500 at this point. Denver has had 6 games comparatively.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Let's see, the Patriots are 7-5...

Defeated:
Bills (4-8)
Falcons (6-6)
Ravens (6-6)
Titans (5-7)
Bucs (1-11)
Dolphins (6-6)
Jets (6-6)

Lost to:
Jets (6-6)
Broncos (8-4)
Colts (12-0)
Saints (12-0)
Dolphins (6-6)

So, through 12 games... they've played 3 teams with records better than .500 and lost all 3. They have split with the Dolpins and Jets, both 6-6. And, they smacked around the Bills (by 1 point), Titans and Bucs.

I never looked at it like that, but yeah... they've been very underwhelming and yet, they're still leading the AFCE by a game. They're fortunate in that regard.

AFCE is currently a mediocre conference. Has been ever since the Dolphins and Jets lost their burst around 2004'ish.

When the Patriots were winning SBs earlier this decade, both those teams were perennial playoff contenders.

One year the Pats won the SB ('04?) the Pats went 10-0 against teams with 10 or more wins. That is an absurd statistic. Absolutely incredible.

This year, they just don't have the killer instinct, confidence, guts, whatever you want to call it.

They went something like 66-1 over a 6 year period when leading at either halftime or the third quarter -- can't remember which. This year we're lost about 3 games that way.

This aren't your teenager's Patriots at the moment....

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

AFCE is currently a mediocre conference. Has been ever since the Dolphins and Jets lost their burst around 2004'ish.

When the Patriots were winning SBs earlier this decade, both those teams were perennial playoff contenders.

One year the Pats won the SB ('04?) the Pats went 10-0 against teams with 10 or more wins. That is an absurd statistic. Absolutely incredible.

This year, they just don't have the killer instinct, confidence, guts, whatever you want to call it.

They went something like 66-1 over a 6 year period when leading at either halftime or the third quarter -- can't remember which. This year we're lost about 3 games that way.

This aren't your teenager's Patriots at the moment....

Yeah, they've hit a bump in the road... it happens to most teams. I think many expected it to happen to Indy this year as well, but they great Peyton is showing they can win with the likes of Garcon and Collie playing big roles. It's incredible really.