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**Tribal Warfare** · 12-20-2009, 11:17 PM

Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back?
By JASON WHITLOCK
The Kansas City Star

I’m not arguing that Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Loyalty? Fairness?

You throw them overboard with the waiting list for season-ticket holders. Anyone arguing the Chiefs have made progress this season hasn’t heard about what happened inside Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday when the Cleveland Browns visited.

On a day when Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn threw for 66 yards and two interceptions, the Browns rumbled for 351 yards on the ground and surpassed the 40-point barrier in a 41-34 victory over Haley’s Chiefs.

Keep in mind, the Browns are in the process of wooing Mike Holmgren to take over their organization and can embattled head coach Eric “Dead Man Coaching” Mangini. The Browns are bad. The Chiefs are worse.

It took a total team effort to give Cleveland a road victory.

“When you allow two returns for touchdowns, that’s generally not going to end up being a good thing,” Haley said, scolding the special-teams unit that allowed Josh Cribbs to find the end zone twice on kickoff returns.

“When you drop nine balls, and we had 39 to 40 by the NFL’s count going into this game — 50-plus by my count — it’s going to be very difficult,” Haley said, scolding his receivers for their inability to catch.

“When you allow a team to run the football the way they were able to run the football, you’re not going to have much of a chance to win,” Haley said, scolding a defensive unit that has surrendered 800-plus rushing yards in its last three games at Arrowhead Stadium.

That’s all three units, folks. Special teams. Offense. And defense.

It’s Christmas, and all three phases of Haley’s team are in disarray.

We’ve spent so much time focusing on the shortcomings within Kansas City’s roster, we’ve failed to mention that it’s likely Haley will overhaul his entire coaching staff, too.

You think Clancy Pendergast is coming back as defensive coordinator after some kid named Jerome Harrison gained 286 yards and finished 10 yards shy of the NFL’s all-time rushing record? We know Haley is a hothead. He booted his most qualified assistant (Chan Gailey) before the season. He’s already demoted a receivers coach. He benches receivers when his mood dictates.

Come on, you know Haley’s instincts will tell him to fire everyone except his wingman, Maurice Carthon. Haley can argue that he got this head-coaching position so late last offseason that he was unable to lure top-flight assistants.

Will top assistants want to come work for Haley this offseason? Let’s don’t even deal with the damage Haley has done to his reputation with his wild-man coaching routine and his handling of Gailey. Why would a top assistant come to KC when Haley is going to enter next season on the hot seat?

You know who would come? A coach with ties to Scott Pioli; a coach who thinks he could be the interim head coach if Haley gets fired six weeks into the season. Charlie Weis. Romeo Crennel.

Yes, more of the Patriots Way. A continuation of the flawed philosophy that you can export a winning culture from one city to another. Winning produces its own unique culture wherever it lands.

Let me get back on topic. I’m not saying Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Mike Shanahan appears to be headed to Washington. Mike Holmgren apparently is going to take over Cleveland’s front office. Bill Cowher might rejoin the coaching ranks. The Chiefs are going to stand pat with Haley?

What has he shown us that gives us confidence he’ll hire a competent coaching staff? And if the Chiefs are going to be starting over with a new assistant-coaching staff, why not just start all the way over with a new head coach?

I did not say fire Todd Haley. I’m searching for reasons to bring him back. Right now, loyalty and fairness come to mind.

Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver.

Haley’s defenders can argue quite persuasively that he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Haley’s critics could argue that Haley has made a bad situation worse.

I’m not arguing anything. And I’m cool with Haley coming back ... as long as he realizes he has to make a boatload of fundamental changes to his coaching approach.

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Who's this "we" you speak of, Kimosabe?

I actually wanted Herm to return, not for his coaching, but for his drafting and vision of the franchise.

I guarantee you that had that happened, this team would be MUCH further along in terms of talent on the roster and player development.

That made me giggle...

You a funny man...

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

That made me giggle...

You a funny man...

The only talent on this roster was drafted while Herm was coach.

Pioli WASTED 8 picks (two for O'Connell).

Why you aren't pissed about this is beyond me.

Brock · 12-21-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Are you watching this game tonight?

Zorn is completely reeruned and has been all year...

but then again, Snyder fired Marty, so your point is proven....

And Zorn is a dead man walking.

Chaunceythe3rd · 12-21-2009, 09:22 PM

Whitlock did have a good point. Who would want to come to KC as an assistant coach unless he was essentially unemployable anywhere else (Clancy Pendergast) or he knew he was in line to replace Haley? Do we really want Charlie Weiss or Romeo Cremel as assistants or as HC?

SPATCH · 12-21-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I mentioned Snyder because he has no problem with firing incompetent coaches.

and things have been going absolutely swimmingly with that organization

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The only talent on this roster was drafted while Herm was coach.

Pioli WASTED 8 picks (two for O'Connell).

Why you aren't pissed about this is beyond me.

Dude we have sucked for the last 4 years... I have given up...

Besides you cant possibly be as pissed as I was the day that Herm was hired....

**Easy 6** · 12-21-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PostRockPablo

I believe once he gets an OC to take care of that side of the ball, he won't be so stressed and reeruned on the sidelines and probably make better decisions in general.

He's over-worked. And he did it to himself.

So, yeah; I'm willing to give him more than one season where he basically decided he was going to run the entire ****ing show and failed at it. If Haley insists on the HC/OC role again next year, he's a tard. If he doesn't lobby for an almost completely new coaching staff, including a DC and a QB coach, he's a tard.

But, I'm patient like that. I didn't expect great things this year. But I also didn't expect Gailey to get canned and for us to bring in Pendergast either. If the epic ****-up's continue next year, goodbye. But, I'm not for pulling the plug on a brand new regime right now, especially a first time HC.

No doubt, he's been an epic fail this year. But I guess there's nowhere to go but WAY up.

Amen PRB...

My biggest caveat for Haley is to show some NFL caliber class, raw emotion alone wont get it done, Todd or is it Gunther?... giving THE FINGER to a Season Ticket Fan, or any other fan, on (L.O.L) Fan Appreciation Day is BAAAAAAD... he owes blowfish private golf lessons or something.

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

And Zorn is a dead man walking.

And so is Tom Cable...

SPATCH · 12-21-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The only talent on this roster was drafted while Herm was coach.

Pioli WASTED 8 picks (two for O'Connell).

Why you aren't pissed about this is beyond me.

Ryan motha ****in Succop

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-21-2009, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The decision about his staff should not be Haley's decision at this point.

Actually, if we take the word of our Minister of Information at face-value, all coaching/coord personnel decisions ARE IN FACT at the ultimate discretion of one Todd Haley.
But, our comptroller at OAD-CIA is a slippery fish, and could be embellishing the truth of the matter.

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You fired him on your Madden franchise admit it.

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Originally Posted by the_spatula

Ryan motha ****in Succop

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

HELLZ YEAH BOYEEEEE! Gimmie 'dat Long-Snapper at 5th Overall, I wants me some Kicking DOMINATION, BEEYATCH!

KCTitus · 12-21-2009, 09:42 PM

You know what this franchise needs? To fall into the next great QB in the history of the game in the 6th round. Then the 'culture of winning' starts to blossom.

That or start video taping the other teams defensive signals.

Jason has a point, and I cannot disagree.

This team has not improved in any phase of the game the entire year. That's quite an accomplishment considering how bad this team was last year.

Only thing I can say is we're not Washington.

SPATCH · 12-21-2009, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

HELLZ YEAH BOYEEEEE! Gimmie 'dat Long-Snapper at 5th Overall, I wants me some Kicking DOMINATION, BEEYATCH!

the best motha ****in kicking game in the N.F. motha ****in L.

40 yards, 50 yards, SIIIIIIIIIIXXXXTY yards son! the kicking game be sewed up.

3 points bitch. 3.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-21-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by the_spatula

the best motha ****in kicking game in the N.F. motha ****in L.

40 yards, 50 yards, SIIIIIIIIIIXXXXTY yards son! the kicking game be sewed up.

3 points bitch. 3.

TRIFECTA OF DA' FOOT, BOYEEEE!

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by the_spatula

and things have been going absolutely swimmingly with that organization

Way to deflect the point.

Were you hired to be a ballwasher or do you do it willingly?

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by the_spatula

Ryan motha ****in Succop

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

Whatever.

The Chiefs would have been in the same exact position if they'd kept Connor Barth.

12-20-2009, 11:17 PM
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-2997187	Whitlock: Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back? Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back? By JASON WHITLOCK The Kansas City Star I’m not arguing that Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back. Loyalty? Fairness? You throw them overboard with the waiting list for season-ticket holders. Anyone arguing the Chiefs have made progress this season hasn’t heard about what happened inside Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday when the Cleveland Browns visited. On a day when Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn threw for 66 yards and two interceptions, the Browns rumbled for 351 yards on the ground and surpassed the 40-point barrier in a 41-34 victory over Haley’s Chiefs. Keep in mind, the Browns are in the process of wooing Mike Holmgren to take over their organization and can embattled head coach Eric “Dead Man Coaching” Mangini. The Browns are bad. The Chiefs are worse. It took a total team effort to give Cleveland a road victory. “When you allow two returns for touchdowns, that’s generally not going to end up being a good thing,” Haley said, scolding the special-teams unit that allowed Josh Cribbs to find the end zone twice on kickoff returns. “When you drop nine balls, and we had 39 to 40 by the NFL’s count going into this game — 50-plus by my count — it’s going to be very difficult,” Haley said, scolding his receivers for their inability to catch. “When you allow a team to run the football the way they were able to run the football, you’re not going to have much of a chance to win,” Haley said, scolding a defensive unit that has surrendered 800-plus rushing yards in its last three games at Arrowhead Stadium. That’s all three units, folks. Special teams. Offense. And defense. It’s Christmas, and all three phases of Haley’s team are in disarray. We’ve spent so much time focusing on the shortcomings within Kansas City’s roster, we’ve failed to mention that it’s likely Haley will overhaul his entire coaching staff, too. You think Clancy Pendergast is coming back as defensive coordinator after some kid named Jerome Harrison gained 286 yards and finished 10 yards shy of the NFL’s all-time rushing record? We know Haley is a hothead. He booted his most qualified assistant (Chan Gailey) before the season. He’s already demoted a receivers coach. He benches receivers when his mood dictates. Come on, you know Haley’s instincts will tell him to fire everyone except his wingman, Maurice Carthon. Haley can argue that he got this head-coaching position so late last offseason that he was unable to lure top-flight assistants. Will top assistants want to come work for Haley this offseason? Let’s don’t even deal with the damage Haley has done to his reputation with his wild-man coaching routine and his handling of Gailey. Why would a top assistant come to KC when Haley is going to enter next season on the hot seat? You know who would come? A coach with ties to Scott Pioli; a coach who thinks he could be the interim head coach if Haley gets fired six weeks into the season. Charlie Weis. Romeo Crennel. Yes, more of the Patriots Way. A continuation of the flawed philosophy that you can export a winning culture from one city to another. Winning produces its own unique culture wherever it lands. Let me get back on topic. I’m not saying Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back. Mike Shanahan appears to be headed to Washington. Mike Holmgren apparently is going to take over Cleveland’s front office. Bill Cowher might rejoin the coaching ranks. The Chiefs are going to stand pat with Haley? What has he shown us that gives us confidence he’ll hire a competent coaching staff? And if the Chiefs are going to be starting over with a new assistant-coaching staff, why not just start all the way over with a new head coach? I did not say fire Todd Haley. I’m searching for reasons to bring him back. Right now, loyalty and fairness come to mind. Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver. Haley’s defenders can argue quite persuasively that he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Haley’s critics could argue that Haley has made a bad situation worse. I’m not arguing anything. And I’m cool with Haley coming back ... as long as he realizes he has to make a boatload of fundamental changes to his coaching approach.
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Chaunceythe3rd Superior Breeding Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Boston Casino cash: $9915419	Whitlock did have a good point. Who would want to come to KC as an assistant coach unless he was essentially unemployable anywhere else (Clancy Pendergast) or he knew he was in line to replace Haley? Do we really want Charlie Weiss or Romeo Cremel as assistants or as HC?
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KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9882732	You know what this franchise needs? To fall into the next great QB in the history of the game in the 6th round. Then the 'culture of winning' starts to blossom. That or start video taping the other teams defensive signals. Jason has a point, and I cannot disagree. This team has not improved in any phase of the game the entire year. That's quite an accomplishment considering how bad this team was last year. Only thing I can say is we're not Washington. __________________ Anything you post on this BB can and will be used against you...
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