Chiefs Chiefs tried to trade Charles - Page 20

Hammock Parties · 01-04-2010, 12:22 AM

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With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon.

Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver.

If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season.

With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season?

It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style.

Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month.

The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round.

Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft.

Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed.

Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down.

The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early.

Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason.

Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season.

This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.

01-04-2010, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

I think it's funny that you can pay $2.50 a month for ESPN Insider and get ESPN the Magazine delivered every month...but you have to pay $109.95 for WPI?

Jesus.

Well, it has something to do with ESPN having hundreds of thousands of subscribers and WPI having dozens. Have you ever been able to figure out how they can afford to give away USA Today at hotels? It's because the subscription isn't making the money, the advertising dollars are. We could go on talking about it but then I'd get frustrated and who wants to relive 5 years ago?

**BossChief** · 01-04-2010, 05:58 AM

300 or so posts huh? I guess it did its job eh?

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

Well, it has something to do with ESPN having hundreds of thousands of subscribers and WPI having dozens. Have you ever been able to figure out how they can afford to give away USA Today at hotels? It's because the subscription isn't making the money, the advertising dollars are. We could go on talking about it but then I'd get frustrated and who wants to relive 5 years ago?

Didn't think of it that way...that does make sense.

01-04-2010, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

300 or so posts huh? I guess it did its job eh?

How many people clicked the link? We can talk about it all day without clicking the link.

**BossChief** · 01-04-2010, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia

Well, it has something to do with ESPN having hundreds of thousands of subscribers and WPI having dozens. Have you ever been able to figure out how they can afford to give away USA Today at hotels? It's because the subscription isn't making the money, the advertising dollars are. We could go on talking about it but then I'd get frustrated and who wants to relive 5 years ago?

"in principle" still stings me too.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 06:02 AM

I read this thread and the game thread and it's evident -- and has been evident all year that OTWP has a HUGE vendetta against the new regime.

When a guy like that starts taking Athan's word as gospel...there is clearly an agenda.

And the trade didn't happen so it's a moot point...shit we were begging to give LJ away before he had his big 2005.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 06:04 AM

I mean...go read the game thread and concentrate on OTWP's posts...he couldn't get over the Castille play for two quarters and then every time something good happened it turned into Pioli bashing for benching DJ, or not playing Charles, or paying Cassel...and on and on and on and on...

If I did that shit, people would have been ALL over me...

But since it is him, it's ok...and Hamas and ROR stalked him with

emoticons the whole freaking thread.

Pioli Zombie · 01-04-2010, 06:10 AM

Oooooh. Let's all run with it.
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WilliamTheIrish · 01-04-2010, 06:11 AM

I don't give a **** if he did try to trade him. There wasn't a MF'er on this roster that didn't deserve to be on the block.

Charles will give us 3 good years and, like 90% of all NFL RB's, will be relegated to the broken down scrap heap.

Who gives a **** if they tried to trade him?

WilliamTheIrish · 01-04-2010, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

I read this thread and the game thread and it's evident -- and has been evident all year that OTWP has a HUGE vendetta against the new regime....

Nothing gets by you, Hoots.

**BigMeatballDave** · 01-04-2010, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Why?

Because you can't imagine Pioli doing something so stupid, or because Nick wrote it?

There's no doubt in my mind it happened, and that someone in the Redskins organization is the source.

God knows Pioli didn't admit to it.

I believe you're a tad blinded by Pioli hate. Had this been a rumor of a blockbuster deal that would have weighed heavily in the favor of the Chiefs, you'd have crucifed Athan.

**BigMeatballDave** · 01-04-2010, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Going into that period, Charles had been inactive a couple times and fumbled that kickoff...it was pretty obvious the Chiefs brass didn't think much of him, they refused to play him over LJ.

Birds of a feather...

**BossChief** · 01-04-2010, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BCD

I believe you're a tad blinded by Pioli hate. Had this been a rumor of a blockbuster deal that would have weighed heavily in the favor of the Chiefs, you'd have crucifed Athan.

this

I am wondering if some of the people here care more about them being right about the future of our team being hopeless than us winning games.

We beat Denver for the first time in a decade in a dominant game and by somes accounds we lost the game.

TheGuardian · 01-04-2010, 06:44 AM

I haven't read through all of this, but I am calling complete bullshit on it.

JD10367 · 01-04-2010, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

I don't give a **** if he did try to trade him. There wasn't a MF'er on this roster that didn't deserve to be on the block.

Charles will give us 3 good years and, like 90% of all NFL RB's, will be relegated to the broken down scrap heap.

Who gives a **** if they tried to trade him?

This here.

In 2008 Charles had one good game, a 106-yard effort against Tampa Bay. Up to and including the November 8th game against Jacksonville, his numbers again were nothing to behold. Sure, he also wasn't a featured back... but the point is, no one thought he was the second coming of Marshall Faulk until he blew everyone away with this final four game stretch (143, 154, 102, 259).

So why are people acting like, "Look, once again, Pioli proves he's an incompetent idiot because he wanted to trade this stud!!"? Give it a frigging rest. You got one of the more promising GM candidates available. You got a head coach who lacks experience but has the right attitude. You got an improvement at QB--sure, maybe he's not Peyton Manning, but he's an improvement. You found a stud running back. You won 4 games instead of 2. You ended the Broncos' playoff chances. And yet you still find something to bitch about. Wash the sand out of your vagina and at least enjoy FOR ONE F**KING DAY the good game that they played yesterday.

01-04-2010, 12:22 AM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $750478	Chiefs tried to trade Charles http://kan.scout.com/2/934713.html With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon. Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver. If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season. With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season? It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style. Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month. The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round. Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft. Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed. Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down. The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early. Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason. Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season. This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I mean...go read the game thread and concentrate on OTWP's posts...he couldn't get over the Castille play for two quarters and then every time something good happened it turned into Pioli bashing for benching DJ, or not playing Charles, or paying Cassel...and on and on and on and on... If I did that shit, people would have been ALL over me... But since it is him, it's ok...and Hamas and ROR stalked him with emoticons the whole freaking thread.
Posts: 56,356

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WilliamTheIrish Champion Golfer Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $2550607	I don't give a ** if he did try to trade him. There wasn't a MF'er on this roster that didn't deserve to be on the block. Charles will give us 3 good years and, like 90% of all NFL RB's, will be relegated to the broken down scrap heap. Who gives a ** if they tried to trade him?
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