If Berry is there and we pass - Page 5

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-13-2010, 12:00 PM

For either

A) Okung
B) McClain
C) B5TA
D) Joe Haden
E) Dez White
F) Sam Bradford (but not Clausen)
G) Dan Williams (think of picking a guy 15 spots above where he was projected)

How does that affect your view of this regime, if at all?

Mecca · 02-13-2010, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

No, there are 15 guys worth the pick based on past history of the draft. The trick is picking one of those 15 and not taking Ryan Sims, or Tyson Jackson.

I disagree with that, generally speaking there are a mere handful of guys worth top 5 picks, no matter how good Jackson ever becomes he will never be worth his pick which makes him a stupid pick.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-13-2010, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Depends on the position the player plays, a great WR on a team with no QB well he's not gonna perform all that highly.

Don't worry though this team likely won't take Berry, we don't need any elite level playmakers.

Individuals go to the pro bowl, teams win championships.

You'll also notice that none of the final four teams this year had any pro bowlers.

BigCatDaddy · 02-13-2010, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Depends on the position the player plays, a great WR on a team with no QB well he's not gonna perform all that highly.

Don't worry though this team likely won't take Berry, we don't need any elite level playmakers.

Megatron has looked pretty good without a QB, but you are right to a degree.

If they take him I would love it, but to say every other player that could be drafted is fail is just wrong. I think that's the point everyone is trying to make. I don't love 1 player, I like Berry, I like Bradford, I like Graham and Williams right now. As always QB is the biggest gamble but I won't be butt hurt unless we do something as bad as the TJ thing again.

Mecca · 02-13-2010, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Individuals go to the pro bowl, teams win championships.

You'll also notice that none of the final four teams this year had any pro bowlers.

Just like the they all had lowly drafted bum QB's they had to sign or trade for and all ran the 3-4 too.

Mecca · 02-13-2010, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Megatron has looked pretty good without a QB, but you are right to a degree.

If they take him I would love it, but to say every other player that could be drafted is fail is just wrong. I think that's the point everyone is trying to make. I don't love 1 player, I like Berry, I like Bradford, I like Graham and Williams right now. As always QB is the biggest gamble but I won't be butt hurt unless we do something as bad as the TJ thing again.

Pioli is going to draft McClain, just get use to that idea because it's very likely.

BigCatDaddy · 02-13-2010, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I disagree with that, generally speaking there are a mere handful of guys worth top 5 picks, no matter how good Jackson ever becomes he will never be worth his pick which makes him a stupid pick.

I disagree. I can go back through any draft from 3-4 years ago and pick out 15 guys that if they were taken number 5 you say good pick.

You get no arguement from me on Jackson. I really don't know what the hell that was all about.

Mecca · 02-13-2010, 07:13 PM

15 is a lot because in general value terms with contracts there are positions that aren't worth the pick let alone the player.

BigCatDaddy · 02-13-2010, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You'll also notice that none of the final four teams this year had any pro bowlers.

What?

Mecca · 02-13-2010, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

What?

He's being sarcastic about all that right 53 and teams win not players bullshit that Pioli was spouting.

BigCatDaddy · 02-13-2010, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

15 is a lot because in general value terms with contracts there are positions that aren't worth the pick let alone the player.

If you are talking contact right out of the gate, no none of them are worth it, but if you just go back and say our team took x player at #5, then I can pull 15 guys from a draft where you give them an "A" for the pick 2-3 years down the road.

Mecca · 02-13-2010, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

If you are talking contact right out of the gate, no none of them are worth it, but if you just go back and say our team took x player at #5, then I can pull 15 guys from a draft where you give them an "A" for the pick 2-3 years down the road.

I'd love to see you do that, I'd be willing to bet you'd list several guys that I would never put that high regardles.

BigCatDaddy · 02-13-2010, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

He's being sarcastic about all that right 53 and teams win not players bullshit that Pioli was spouting.

Ehhhh, it can be done that way I suppose, but I'll take the stars

BigCatDaddy · 02-13-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'd love to see you do that, I'd be willing to bet you'd list several guys that I would never put that high regardles.

When I have more time I'll give it a shot.

ILChief · 02-13-2010, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Nothing and I mean nothing is sadder than the people who honestly have more interest in hoping someone is wrong or looks dumb than the future of this team.

Whether you personally dislike me, Hamas or anyone else, this take is pure reerunation.

I don't dislike any of you as I don't know you. I just think it would be funny if everybody a player everybody is so against turned out to be great. Also, I don't see how the Chiefs drafting Okung and him being a HOF lineman would be bad for the future of the team.

RustShack · 02-13-2010, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

In your opinion, but odds are you are wrong as you admit. If the Chiefs go with say another player like Graham who isn't "rated into the top 10" and he turns into Demarcus Ware then that's a brillant move that we should be open to.

Are you stupid? Ware was a talented prospect with upside, Graham isn't. Graham is like what Hali was coming out, what you see is what you get. Sure he won't be a flop like some other players, but he wont be great either.

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