Combine Winners and Losers - Page 3

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-02-2010, 01:56 PM

These are my opinions, but obviously borrowed from the research of others

Winners:

OL:

Russell Okung. Showed very good athleticism, ideal size, and good strength. Solidified himself as the consensus #1 tackle according to scouts (even if I think he's not).

Bruce Campbell. Absolute ****ing freak. Same size as Okung, even more athletic. Dominated the drills

Trent Williams. May end up being Jamaal Brown. Far more athletic than previously thought

Roger Saffold. Could be this year's Branden Albert--a G prospect who transitions to T. That said, with his frame, I think he's an ideal RT for a team that passes a lot. If I'm NO, I look at him as a replacement for Stinchcomb at the bottom of Round 2.

DL: Ndamukong Suh. Showed up, did everything, and did it well. Showed he wasn't afraid to compete. Separated himself from McCoy, as he was his equal in agility drills and speed, and showed that he also has as much explosion with more upper body strength.

Jason Pierre Paul. Lack of production is alarming, but his potential isn't. Mayock compared him to Jevon Kearse. His upside is probably Mario Williams.

Lemarr Houston. Beasted the drills. Looks like a great 3 technique prospect.

Everson Griffen. Tremendous measureables combined with solid production. With his speed, he could be a 4-3 RDE or a ROLB in a 3-4. Probably a mid-20s guy who a lot of teams are going to regret passing on. Atlanta needs to have him targeted

Linval Joseph. He's going to skyrocket. He can play NT in a 4-3, NT in a 3-4, or 5 technique. Big with long arms (34 1/2"). I wouldn't mind the Chiefs taking him with their 3rd rounder.

Torrell Troup. Did well in agility drills, ran well, and showed good strength. Long arms, can put on another 25 pounds and anchor a 3-4.

LB:

Sean Weatherspoon. GODMODE.

Darryl Washington. Ran really well and killed the drills. Probably limited to a 4-3 Will backer.

Jamar Chaney. Absolutely dominated the physical part of the combine. Dominated. He has the size to be a 3-4 Mike, but his speed will make him far more valuable to a 4-3 team. He's probably a mid 2nd round pick at worst right now. His athleticism is the definition of sideline to sideline.

DB:

Taylor Mays. Killed the 40 and showed enough agility in the drills to quell concerns about his hip fluidity.

Eric Berry. Performed beyond expectations. Measured bigger, and had an amazing vertical jump (43"). Showed good speed as well. He is Ed Reed.

QB:

None. Jarrett Brown showed speed and arm strength, but his accuracy was poor. Sam Bradford showed he could put on 25 pounds while using steroids.

WR:

Jacoby Ford. Moved himself up into the 3rd round with his 40 time alone

Golden Tate. Looks like an ideal slot receiver w/ his combination of quickness and speed.

Scott Long. Warriored the Workout, but he's never done anything on the field. Got buzz, though.

RB: Ryan Matthews. The #1 pure RB in this class w/o question.

Jahvid Best. Outran Spiller and showed really good agility in the cone drills. Surprising size @ 200 lbs. Could be Jamaal Charlesesque.

Ben Tate. Looks like a really good mid-round option

TE: Clay Harbor. Performed like he was created in a lab. Small school prospect with all the tools.

Jimmy Graham. Absolutely amazing combine and ungodly size. He's a matchup nightmare.

Losers:

QB: Cart McCoy. His shoulder injury, which would be healed w/in "days" then became "two weeks" and now it's been nearly two months and he still won't throw. He also measured 2 inches shorter than his listed height. He's a ****ing bum. Well, bums have heart...

Dan LeFevour. Absolutely idiotic decision not to throw. Killed himself in the eyes of scouts.

WR: Brandon Lafell. Poor time combined with a blah season. He's probably a late 2nd at best now. Really small hands for a WR (8 3/4")

Dez Bryant. Reportedly bombed the interviews. Came off as irresponsible, and didn't run to protect his inflated stock.

Mike Williams. Awful results, even worse interviews. May not be drafted

RB: Jonathan Dwyer. Looked doughy and did not perform well. Combined with the weird system he came from, he's looking like the 3rd rounder I said he was.

TE: Rob Gronkowski. Came off as a pussy shit bitch by declaring himself 100% but not participating in anything when he hasn't played in a year.

OL: Anthony Davis. Poor physical measureables for a guy with a host of other concerns is not good.

Ciron Black. May not be draftable after his abortion of a performance.

DE: Greg Hardy. No one hurt his stock more this season than Hardy. He'll be off the boards of several teams completely and he shows a complete lack of passion for the game. He also can't stop gorging his fat ass.

George Selvie. An awful performance capping off two shit awful years at USF. He's a late round player now.

Carlos Dunlap. Awful interviews combined with huge character concerns and a lack of production make him Michael Johnson part 2.

DT: None. McCoy, who didn't have a great combine, still did well enough, but may have solidified himself as the #2 rather than putting himself in the argument with Suh

LB: Brandon Spikes. Wouldn't run but did all the other drills, on which he completely embarrassed himself. Lacks explosion (29" vertical is pathetic) and speed (wouldn't run). He's strictly a 2 down player and probably a 3rd rounder at best. Could go as late as the fifth.

Micah Johnson. You could time him with a sundial. May end up being this year's Danell Ellerbe, though. He and Spikes could both be role players, but won't ever be anything more.

Rolando McClain. Invented an injury to prevent from exposing himself, just like Bryant.

DB. Myron Rolle. Great story, but he's not an NFL player. Too slow, too stiff.

Joe Haden. Ran in the Malcolm Jenkins territory without the size. He's probably a 12-15 pick right now

Mr. Laz · 03-02-2010, 09:59 PM

By Tony Pauline, Special to SI.com, TFYDraft.com
Posted: Tuesday March 2, 2010 4:51PM; Updated: Tuesday March 2, 2010 5:23PM

Risers & Sliders: Mays fails to impress in DB drills at NFL combine

Taylor Mays impressed in the 40-yard dash, but left much to be desired in field drills.
AP

INDIANAPOLIS -- NFL decision makers and scouts gathered at Lucas Oil Stadium today for the final day of the 2010 NFL Scouting Combine. They were on hand to watch the 58 defensive backs who were invited to work out.

Taylor Mays' workout at the combine will be one talked about for a long time, and with good reason. After weighing in at 230 pounds, Mays completed 24 reps on the bench press, then ran a 40 that most scouts clocked at 4.32 seconds. Normally those numbers would elevate a prospect towards the top of the draft, but we contend that won't be the case with Mays.
During drills, Mays was in poor form. As fast as he was moving forwards, Mays was terribly slow moving in reverse. It was similar to his performance at the Senior Bowl in January. Mays looked uncomfortable backpedaling during drills and one scout called his defensive back fundamentals "just bad." When asked to change direction, Mays would come to a complete stop then start up again. The contrast between Mays and players such as Earl Thomas and T.J. Ward, who lost little momentum changing direction, was striking.

Poor performances in Mobile and Indianapolis do not mean Mays won't be productive in the NFL. It does mean he will be limited to certain systems that don't require him to play man coverage or make plays sideline-to-sideline. In other words Mays is likely to go later in the draft than someone with his measurables usually would.

Risers

Eric Berry/S/Tennessee: Berry impressed scouts by weighing 212 pounds and completing 19 reps on the bench. His 40 was fast ... in the high 4.3-second area. He was near flawless in drills, displaying quick and fluid footwork moving in reverse, a terrific burst to the ball and the ability to change direction on a dime without losing momentum.

Devin McCourty/CB/Rutgers: He could come away the biggest winner among defensive backs. He was super fast, timing right around 4.40 seconds, and showed strength by pushing up 16 reps on the bench. And his skills in drills were near outstanding. McCourty now enters the conversation as a late first-round pick.

Earl Thomas/S/Texas: Teams interested in drafting Thomas breathed a sigh of relief when the red-shirt sophomore stepped on the scales and weighed 208 pounds, then completed 21 reps on the bench press. This dispelled many of the myths that Thomas lacked the size and strength to play safety in the NFL. He later ran well (4.5) and looked effective in drills.

TJ Ward/S/Oregon: Ward ran reasonably well (4.55-range) but it was his work in drills that really impressed scouts. Considered more of a straight-line defender, he displayed ball skills that exceeded expectations. Ward changed direction quickly, showed the ability to move in reverse with no hesitation and looked terrific catching the ball.

Chris Cook/CB/Virginia: The big cornerback has been steadily moving up draft boards. He weighed in at a solid 212, then ran his 40 in just under 4.5. Cook's mechanics looked significantly improved since the Senior Bowl and the imposing prospect displayed a lot of athleticism. Cook has solidified himself as a top 75 pick.

Kareem Jackson/CB/Alabama: He answered questions scouts had about his athleticism and defensive back skill set. He ran well in the 40, timing under 4.5 on stop watches. During drills Jackson displayed a quick backpedal, fluid hip movement and the ability to drive to the ball. He's likely assured himself a spot in the draft's initial 40 selections.

Sliders

Joe Haden/CB/Florida: He was really slow in the 40. His hand times of 4.58 translate into electronic times that will broach 4.65. Haden looked terrific in drills, with outstanding ball skills and showing the makings of a starter at the next level. He was projected as a potential top-eight pick, but as we saw last April with Malcolm Jenkins, cornerbacks who time poorly in the 40 are not early selections in the draft.

Donovan Warren/CB/Michigan: Warren started by struggling to get under 4.7 in the 40. He was ineffective in drills, exhibiting a poor backpedal, no burst out of his plant and an inability to change direction without losing a lot of momentum.

Chad Jones/S/LSU: Jones ran reasonably well, timing in the mid-4.5s, yet did nothing to dispel the belief he's solely a downhill safety. He was incredibly slow in reverse and displayed poor footwork. He looked a bit confused on the field and had to be stopped in drills several times to be given direction.

Dennis Rogan/CB/Tennessee: Rogan was small and slow, not a good combination at cornerback. He checked in under 5-foot-9 and could not break 4.7 in the 40. Rogan may regret leaving Tennessee a year early.

Titty Meat · 03-02-2010, 10:02 PM

Good read Laz.

Mecca · 03-02-2010, 10:04 PM

SI really needs to hire some new people, every other report says NFL teams came away very impressed with Mays.

Jerm · 03-02-2010, 10:25 PM

I think Eric Berry is the biggest winner...solidified himself as the #1 player in this draft IMO, safety or not.

Dude is a playmaker and that's all that matters.

We will be extremely lucky if he slides to us at #5 and if we pass on him, I will hunt Scott Pioli down myself. It would be beyond moronic.

Mecca · 03-02-2010, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerm

I think Eric Berry is the biggest winner...solidified himself as the #1 player in this draft IMO, safety or not.

Dude is a playmaker and that's all that matters.

We will be extremely lucky if he slides to us at #5 and if we pass on him, I will hunt Scott Pioli down myself. It would be beyond moronic.

No matter what he does his highest option is probably Tampa and they basically would prefer to not take him.

Jerm · 03-02-2010, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

No matter what he does his highest option is probably Tampa and they basically would prefer to not take him.

Agreed...if the Rams take Bradford, Suh or McCoy falls to them at #3, Wash. takes Okung/Clausen, Berry is there at 5. I'd say that's the best case scenario.

Mecca · 03-02-2010, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm

Agreed...if the Rams take Bradford, Suh or McCoy falls to them at #3, Wash. takes Okung/Clausen, Berry is there at 5. I'd say that's the best case scenario.

I still don't believe the Chiefs have much desire to draft a safety.

Jerm · 03-02-2010, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

I still don't believe the Chiefs have much desire to draft a safety.

Yeah I know what you're saying but I think Berry is such a talent that they can't pass up on him, safety or not.

I don't see how you can justify passing on the next Ed Reed...but this is the Chiefs lol.

RustShack · 03-02-2010, 10:49 PM

I can see the Chiefs signing Roy Williams..

Chiefs=Champions · 03-02-2010, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

I still don't believe the Chiefs have much desire to draft a safety.

Serious question here. What makes you think they are more likley to draft a tackle than a saftey?

Mecca · 03-02-2010, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good

Serious question here. What makes you think they are more likley to draft a tackle than a saftey?

Depth of the class, value of the position and Pioli's desire to not have to admit Cassel was a **** up on his part.

With Pioli go with the big fat guy as the top pick, it's his history, hell I think they'd take Dan Williams before they took a safety.

Chiefs=Champions · 03-02-2010, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

Depth of the class, value of the position and Pioli's desire to not have to admit Cassel was a **** up on his part.

With Pioli go with the big fat guy as the top pick, it's his history, hell I think they'd take Dan Williams before they took a safety.

Dosnt he have a lack of history when it comes to taking tackles that high though?

Mecca · 03-02-2010, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good

Dosnt he have a lack of history when it comes to taking tackles that high though?

For the most part he does but he was never in this position either where he has a QB who was his big move looking like he shit himself.

Jerm · 03-02-2010, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

Depth of the class, value of the position and Pioli's desire to not have to admit Cassel was a **** up on his part.

With Pioli go with the big fat guy as the top pick, it's his history, hell I think they'd take Dan Williams before they took a safety.

I just hold out hope that Pioli knows this team needs playmakers...and a lot of them. There isn't a better one in this draft than Berry.

I'd seriously considering just going BPA with every pick, that's how devoid of talent we are.

Mecca · 03-02-2010, 10:58 PM

Yea but if you look at how he built his teams and how the tree he's from builds team it's all about linemen on both sides.

It's shitty to admit that but we're gonna have a lot of very lackluster drafts.

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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Combine Winners and Losers These are my opinions, but obviously borrowed from the research of others Winners: OL: Russell Okung. Showed very good athleticism, ideal size, and good strength. Solidified himself as the consensus #1 tackle according to scouts (even if I think he's not). Bruce Campbell. Absolute **ing freak. Same size as Okung, even more athletic. Dominated the drills Trent Williams. May end up being Jamaal Brown. Far more athletic than previously thought Roger Saffold. Could be this year's Branden Albert--a G prospect who transitions to T. That said, with his frame, I think he's an ideal RT for a team that passes a lot. If I'm NO, I look at him as a replacement for Stinchcomb at the bottom of Round 2. DL: Ndamukong Suh. Showed up, did everything, and did it well. Showed he wasn't afraid to compete. Separated himself from McCoy, as he was his equal in agility drills and speed, and showed that he also has as much explosion with more upper body strength. Jason Pierre Paul. Lack of production is alarming, but his potential isn't. Mayock compared him to Jevon Kearse. His upside is probably Mario Williams. Lemarr Houston. Beasted the drills. Looks like a great 3 technique prospect. Everson Griffen. Tremendous measureables combined with solid production. With his speed, he could be a 4-3 RDE or a ROLB in a 3-4. Probably a mid-20s guy who a lot of teams are going to regret passing on. Atlanta needs to have him targeted Linval Joseph. He's going to skyrocket. He can play NT in a 4-3, NT in a 3-4, or 5 technique. Big with long arms (34 1/2"). I wouldn't mind the Chiefs taking him with their 3rd rounder. Torrell Troup. Did well in agility drills, ran well, and showed good strength. Long arms, can put on another 25 pounds and anchor a 3-4. LB: Sean Weatherspoon. GODMODE. Darryl Washington. Ran really well and killed the drills. Probably limited to a 4-3 Will backer. Jamar Chaney. Absolutely dominated the physical part of the combine. Dominated. He has the size to be a 3-4 Mike, but his speed will make him far more valuable to a 4-3 team. He's probably a mid 2nd round pick at worst right now. His athleticism is the definition of sideline to sideline. DB: Taylor Mays. Killed the 40 and showed enough agility in the drills to quell concerns about his hip fluidity. Eric Berry. Performed beyond expectations. Measured bigger, and had an amazing vertical jump (43"). Showed good speed as well. He is Ed Reed. QB: None. Jarrett Brown showed speed and arm strength, but his accuracy was poor. Sam Bradford showed he could put on 25 pounds while using steroids. WR: Jacoby Ford. Moved himself up into the 3rd round with his 40 time alone Golden Tate. Looks like an ideal slot receiver w/ his combination of quickness and speed. Scott Long. Warriored the Workout, but he's never done anything on the field. Got buzz, though. RB: Ryan Matthews. The #1 pure RB in this class w/o question. Jahvid Best. Outran Spiller and showed really good agility in the cone drills. Surprising size @ 200 lbs. Could be Jamaal Charlesesque. Ben Tate. Looks like a really good mid-round option TE: Clay Harbor. Performed like he was created in a lab. Small school prospect with all the tools. Jimmy Graham. Absolutely amazing combine and ungodly size. He's a matchup nightmare. Losers: QB: Cart McCoy. His shoulder injury, which would be healed w/in "days" then became "two weeks" and now it's been nearly two months and he still won't throw. He also measured 2 inches shorter than his listed height. He's a **ing bum. Well, bums have heart... Dan LeFevour. Absolutely idiotic decision not to throw. Killed himself in the eyes of scouts. WR: Brandon Lafell. Poor time combined with a blah season. He's probably a late 2nd at best now. Really small hands for a WR (8 3/4") Dez Bryant. Reportedly bombed the interviews. Came off as irresponsible, and didn't run to protect his inflated stock. Mike Williams. Awful results, even worse interviews. May not be drafted RB: Jonathan Dwyer. Looked doughy and did not perform well. Combined with the weird system he came from, he's looking like the 3rd rounder I said he was. TE: Rob Gronkowski. Came off as a pussy shit bitch by declaring himself 100% but not participating in anything when he hasn't played in a year. OL: Anthony Davis. Poor physical measureables for a guy with a host of other concerns is not good. Ciron Black. May not be draftable after his abortion of a performance. DE: Greg Hardy. No one hurt his stock more this season than Hardy. He'll be off the boards of several teams completely and he shows a complete lack of passion for the game. He also can't stop gorging his fat ass. George Selvie. An awful performance capping off two shit awful years at USF. He's a late round player now. Carlos Dunlap. Awful interviews combined with huge character concerns and a lack of production make him Michael Johnson part 2. DT: None. McCoy, who didn't have a great combine, still did well enough, but may have solidified himself as the #2 rather than putting himself in the argument with Suh LB: Brandon Spikes. Wouldn't run but did all the other drills, on which he completely embarrassed himself. Lacks explosion (29" vertical is pathetic) and speed (wouldn't run). He's strictly a 2 down player and probably a 3rd rounder at best. Could go as late as the fifth. Micah Johnson. You could time him with a sundial. May end up being this year's Danell Ellerbe, though. He and Spikes could both be role players, but won't ever be anything more. Rolando McClain. Invented an injury to prevent from exposing himself, just like Bryant. DB. Myron Rolle. Great story, but he's not an NFL player. Too slow, too stiff. Joe Haden. Ran in the Malcolm Jenkins territory without the size. He's probably a 12-15 pick right now
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	Yea but if you look at how he built his teams and how the tree he's from builds team it's all about linemen on both sides. It's shitty to admit that but we're gonna have a lot of very lackluster drafts.
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