Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+

[dirk digler]

I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+
The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's not a defensible line of thinking. If anything, it's an admission of their incompetence and it could be seen as impugning the selection of Moeaki, not supporting it.

If you're a GM and you don't think the guy you're targeting will make it to your slot, you do what's necessary to get him. You don't say "Well, if I give up this later pick, I may not be able to get a lesser talent".

Make a plan, make a decision and move forward. These guys can't play the "what if" game if they can get their guy.

I think the problem with this particular selection is that you don't agree with them moving up to get Moeaki. That's fine. But it doesn't make your opinion "right" and their move "wrong" on 4/25/2010.

It may make you "right" at some point during this season or next but I find this pick hard to get worked up about. If Moeaki becomes the player they envision, who cares that Cam Thomas may have been there later?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Dave Meggett on the field or off the field?

We can go with off too, because much like Meggett is a convicted rapist, the justifications of these picks represent a rape of critical thinking.

[philfree]

Are they, because of the positions that they hold, beyond reproach?

Are you? Juat shut the **** up!


PhilFree

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If you're a GM and you don't think the guy you're targeting will make it to your slot, you do what's necessary to get him. You don't say "Well, if I give up this later pick, I may not be able to get a lesser talent".

Make a plan, make a decision and move forward. These guys can't play the "what if" game if they can get their guy.

I think the problem with this particular selection is that you don't agree with them moving up to get Moeaki. That's fine but it doesn't make your opinion "right" and their move "wrong" on 4/25/2010.

It may make you "right" at some point during this season or next but I find this pick hard to get worked up about. If Moeaki becomes the player they envision, who cares that Cam Thomas may have been there later?

I'd say that Reggie Tongue was, for all intents and purposes, who the Chiefs thought he was.

We still should have taken Brian Dawkins.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

We can go with off too, because much like Meggett is a convicted rapist, the justifications of these picks represent a rape of critical thinking.

Your posts read like poetry.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by philfree

Are you? Juat shut the **** up!


PhilFree

No, and I never claimed as such.

It's not surprising that someone with your limited mental capabilities would draw such an erroneous conclusion, though.

[CarlPeterson_fan]

Just say it You miss me. Don't you? I drafted Derrck Thomas, Will Shields, and built a team that was a contender for over a decade. And quit blaming me for Todd F***ing Blackledge.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

We can go with off too, because much like Meggett is a convicted rapist, the justifications of these picks represent a rape of critical thinking.

I hope he doesn't emulate Megget off the field then we should have signed the sister ****er OL dude.

The only pick I am justifiying is McCluster I think he is going to be a very good player and we desperately needed an offensive playmaker. I have a feeling you are going to be happy about him during the season.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

No, and I never claimed as such.

It's not surprising that someone with your limited mental capabilities would draw such an erroneous conclusion, though.

Yeah I'm the one who is limited.

PhilFree

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What I'm talking about are some of the members here screaming and whining and bitching that THEIR players weren't chosen.

FTR, I happen to like most of those guys quite a bit and communicate with them outside of the forum. I have great respect for them as human beings and our friendships.

I just happen to think they're wrong.

Passing up a franchise QB for a ****ing 5 tech is criminal. Drafting for a one year wonder was flat out dumb. Taking another 5 tech and a junior CB with issues was asinine. I've complained about all of those moves for the past year and I haven't changed my opinion.

But in taking the best safety prospect in a decade, two dynamic players, a ****ing stud guard and a TE with a gigantic upside, I have absolutely NO complaints. I like the 5th round selections as well.

I think this 40 time bullshit is overrated as well. Scouts look at two things: How fast a guy plays (projected 40 time) and his 40 time. If his projected time is faster than his actual time, that means he's an instinctual player on defense. There have been plenty of "fast" draft choices (Gholston, DJ, etc.) that can't play at the next level consistently (or at all) because they aren't instinctive football players.

The bottom line is that the Chiefs DID address needs in the 2010 draft but obviously not the "needs" that some felt were necessary this year.

If you're wrong, we're kicking you OUT of the drafturbators. You can turn in your ring AND your tie tack.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by mmaddog

See...that wasn't so hard to answer.

My question to you is this....

Why act like a complete asshole when people don't agree with you ?

Why is your evaluation better than someone elses? If you are right then be firm in your conviction without resorting to name calling and insults. You act like Kim Il-jung when it comes to people responding to you.

Seriously....I've never had an issue with your evaluations of players. It's your tone this year. It's like you have an absolute passion to be 100% correct and make sure everyone sees it your way. If not then you attack with all the fervor of the Mongol horde.

We'll all be wrong in some way, shape or form with one of the players drafted this year by the Chiefs (or not drafted). We'll forget the ones we were wrong about and crow about the few we were logically correct about.

Sad...that is what it really boils down to.

mmaddog
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It's not my tone, it's the fact that you are attacked for having an opinion that diverts from the party line.

If you want to disagree with me, I don't care. It doesn't bother me. But the least that you can do is offer substantive evidence when you disagree. Not "Pioli is GM and you're not, therefore your argument is invalid".

And I've willingly admitted my past mistakes in player evaluations multiple times--guys like Gholston and Matt Ryan for example.

I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong. I just expect that those who disagree with me will offer evidence when they do so.

If you want to point out McCluster's production in the SEC, that's perfectly valid.

If you want to say that he's a good pick, then provide some evidence.

If you want to say that he's a better pick than others available at the time, then support that reason with specific examples.

It's not difficult, but it seems to be a Sisyphean undertaking for anyone to do so.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I hope he doesn't emulate Megget off the field then we should have signed the sister ****er OL dude.

The only pick I am justifiying is McCluster I think he is going to be a very good player and we desperately needed an offensive playmaker. I have a feeling you are going to be happy about him during the season.

We needed a part-time offensive playmaker more desperately than a full time run stuffer, ILB or pass rusher?

Ask Jerome Harrison what he thinks we need.

I don't think many people are complaining about the players themselves, as much as they are upset that the draft fell right to us in terms of value and need, and we overlooked it. If I had told everyone before the draft that we were going to pass on guys like Daryl Washington, Koa Misi, Everson Griffen, Terrence Cody, Sergio Kindle, Sean Lee and Taylor Mays in the 2nd round and take McCluster and Arenas, I would have been laughed off the board.

And for a HC to say that getting a KR was a "must" for a team that has the worst front 7/LB corp in football is criminal.

Kick returners don't win you championships. Neither do undersized part-time slot WR's.

One thing I can guarantee you is that you will NOT sniff a championship without having a solid front seven/run defense.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by philfree

Yeah I'm the one who is limited.

PhilFree

Phil, my sack mist is more intelligent than you.

[CarlPeterson_fan]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

If you're wrong, we're kicking you OUT of the drafturbators. You can turn in your ring AND your tie tack.

Don't you have to be a drafturbator to kick someone out??

GoChiefs a drafturbator More like a masterbator.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

We needed a part-time offensive playmaker more desperately than a full time run stuffer, ILB or pass rusher?

Ask Jerome Harrison what he thinks we need.

I don't think many people are complaining about the players themselves, as much as they are upset that the draft fell right to us in terms of value and need, and we overlooked it.

For a HC to say that getting a KR was a "must" for a team that has the worst front 7/LB corp in football is criminal.

Kick returners don't win you championships. Neither do undersized part-time slot WR's.

One thing I can guarantee you is that you will NOT sniff a championship without having a solid front seven/run defense.

So, you disagree with the selections but admit the need? Or just disagree with the selections?

I have no problem with this draft. I'll take potential playmakers with great resumes any day of the week over a fatass NT and a Texas linebacker with possible medical problems.

The Chiefs needed playmakers and they needed help defensively up the middle. Apparently, they felt the offensive playmakers were more of an immediate need than run stuffers.

And let's replay the Cleveland game with Dorsey and see if Harrison breaks 150.

And I don't think there's a chance they even sniff a championship before 2012, which leaves them plenty of time to address the NT and linebacking positions.