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Old 04-25-2010, 08:04 AM  
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Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+
I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+
The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:14 PM   #316
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I hope Eric Berry enjoys tackling, he's gonna be doing a lot of it.
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:16 PM   #317
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Drafting untalented team captains doesn't win games, we drafted a safety who ran a slower time than some of the OT's, there are great character people that post here, I don't want them suiting up for the Chiefs.

Scott Pioli is building a boyscout troupe, that's nice, it doesn't win games.

Of course reading Hootie's posts are always humorous because the guy would literally defend any pick.
you keep worrying about 40 times...

that's the problem with you and Hamas...

(and Al Davis)...

too much stock in 40 times...this is the NFL, it's not a track meet...

a 4.7 is plenty fast enough to be a great NFL player...it's whether or not they have football instincts and intelligence and work ethic etc. etc. etc.

and we're going to keep seeing it...

and besides...untalented team captains?? Ha.

McCluster/Arenas/Berry/Asomoah...those guys have all the talent in the world.

No wonder people are giving us A's for this draft. It was a great draft for a team that needed playmakers.
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:17 PM   #318
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:19 PM   #319
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Yes, you did.

You spent the entire ****ing draft weekend talking about how Pioli is a GM and we aren't etc etc, hey just like now.
but it's not like I was ever once excited about a pick...

shit...the only pick everyone seemed to like was Donald Washington and now everyone already hates the guy...

I wasn't excited about Tyson Jackson. Not one bit. Or Alex Magee...

But I didn't ****ing mope about it and ruin an entire draft weekend for everyone on this board...that's for sure.

But I challenge you to find a post ON DRAFT WEEKEND last year where I said I thought Tyson Jackson was a great pick!

I don't think you'll find one.

I do however, think Berry/McCluster/Arenas/Asomoah and Moeaki were total wins and that this will be a better draft class than the one we had in 2008.
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:19 PM   #320
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Because he's more uneducated about this topic than even you are?
Uneducated?What? LOL

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In case you aren't aware, 40 times do matter for defensive backs, build the slowest team in football, watch what happens to you.
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:19 PM   #322
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Uneducated?What? LOL

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Old 04-25-2010, 04:20 PM   #323
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I'm not fine with it, I've come to terms with it. I've been a fan since the early 80s. I was pissed 2 days ago. I'm over it. Staying pissed about it isnt healthy and isnt gonna change things. Just trying to find a silver lining...
I'm far from pissed. I'm saddened.

I'll root for them, as always, but I won't be surprised when the guys we passed on become superstars and we need to score 40 points a game to win on a weekly basis.
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:21 PM   #324
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All of these bullshit appeals to a greater authority are useless.

If you really want to debate the stupid people who think the Chiefs ****ed up this draft, why don't you come up with an actual ARGUMENT as to why ignoring the front seven was a good idea.

And I'll tell you what, there actually IS a good argument, but none of the Pioli ball washers have come close to bringing it up. Because you're too busy polishing those rose-colored glasses.

So let's hear it...why was ignoring the front seven a great idea in a draft loaded with defensive talent? Don't just say "Pioli knows more than you."
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I'm sure you know our draft picks will be awesome by the intensity in their eyes.
I'm sure you have spew in your eyes.....I D 10 T....

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Old 04-25-2010, 04:21 PM   #326
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It doesn't piss me off, it does sadden me to know that we'll continue to suck though.
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What with the biggest problem with the D, aside from not showing up at all on occasion, like when Dorsey is out for a game, being;

1st & 10
2nd & 9
3rd and 8 1/2

BOOM! 20 yard play.

I'd think as nickel/dime corner would merit a different calculus.

Like, if he's on the field a significant amount of 3rd downs and well really improve on 3 and out.
This has been my opinion since the picks were made. Our problem wasn't necessarily giving up huge run plays, it was not being able to get our defense off of the field, leading to long, sustained drives. I fully expect Jackson to be better next year, and Dorsey to be even better. Add the big man in the middle, who doesn't need to be great himself, just big, and DJ and whoever should be able to stop the run better than they did last year.

On top of that, we were playing from behind for most of the season, leading the other team to try to preserve their win by running out the clock.

Hopefully we won't be seeing quite as many BIG third down plays this year. Between Berry and Arenas, I think we can cover the middle of the field now. They should both help in run support also. Flowers and Carr have the outside as far as coverage is concerned.

These two players should help the defense get off the field pretty well, forcing more punts, and hopefully Berry intercepting balls. If we can for the punt more often, and Arenas can get decent returns, it'll help our offense with a shorter field.

Add in the two new offensive threats, Moeaki and McCluster. McCluster should be the real get here, he will help with YAC and should help stretch the field when asked to. Will probably add the same playmaking ability Charles does. Able to hit it from anywhere on the field. As for Moeaki, if he can stay healthy, he should help around the middle of the field also. He also is more of a threat to gain big chunks of yards than most give him credit for. Should be pretty effective in the redzone also.

Asamoah, might be able to become a starter at either LG, C, or RG. This year, or eventually in the future. Really depends what happens with Waters, will he stay around after wanting out so badly in the past? Weigmann, can he still play? And Lilja, will he be successful outside of Indianapolis?

As for Lewis and Sheffield, who knows. Hopefully Crennel and Haley can get what they want out of Sheffield. Lewis should stand a chance at pressing for playing time and possibly starting role in the future.
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The Chiefs did something that is really really sad in the grand scheme of things, ponder this. Last years draft was very deep in offense, offensive line specifically, this years draft was extremely deep defensively.

In back to back years we have now ignored what the value of the draft was, that is not smart.
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:26 PM   #329
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In case you aren't aware, 40 times do matter for defensive backs, build the slowest team in football, watch what happens to you.
NO 40 times do NOT matter.. speed matters. 40 times are not a very accurate way to measure football speed... it's time for us to dump that "measurable"

If a player is slow off the blocks they can lose up to 3/4 of a second... so what could be a 4.3 time ends up a 5 ...

Simply because they aren't TRACK stars (who train that ONE aspect over and over) doesn't mean they aren't fast.

THIS is why film trumps combine every single time.
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I'm not that worried about our front 7...

people talk all the time about how our run defense was so bad last year...and down the stretch...it did fall apart...that's for sure...especially when Dorsey wasn't playing.

But teams like the Ravens...running teams...they beat us for three quarters by passing the ball over and over and over...because our pass defense was worse than our run defense...and it wasn't even close...

like everyone said...we were TERRIBLE on 3rd and longs defensively last year...

you only have so many picks...apparently Pioli felt like upgrading the secondary was the better move with the players on the board when they were picking...

I have no problem with adding an OG and a TE...both positions of need...and a dynamic playmaker that can play in the slot/run the ball a few times/and return kicks here and there...

I'm sorry...I'm not disappointed about passing on Cam Thomas...and his 12 on the Wonderlic...and the fact that scouts say he takes a ton of plays off...

we will never draft a player like that as long as Pioli is GM...and I tell you what...I'm ok with that.
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