Are You Smarter Than A Pioli? -2010

[BigCatDaddy]

Place the picks you would have taken with the Chiefs picks based on who was available at the time. This should be a fun thread to bump in a year or two to see how we would have done. No trades, you just pick from the list of players available when the Chiefs picked.


1. Eric Berry
2A. Jimmy Clasen
2 B. Golden Tate
3A. Jon Asamoah
3B Dennis Pita
5A Cam Thomas
5B Matt Tentant

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

3 safeties?

They can always be converted to corners. /Carl

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Well you got me there.... Rep!

I'm glad you're honest about it. You know you hated that guy much more furiously than anyone here is on Pioli.

We're all entitled to our opinions. I don't hate Pioli. I just think he's ****ing up, and wasting time. If it ultimately leads to a Super Bowl I'll jump in line first to fellate him.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I'd love to snag Jimmy in the 2nd, but if I'm going to be honest I have to take him at 5. He's a franchise QB in my eyes and I would not have let him go with Matt Cassel as my starter. So I can't win this draft 3 years later when it's crystal clear that Eric Berry could be a Hall of Famer. I'm okay with that though. I think a franchise QB is the most important position on the field and I'll live with the decision.

1. Jimmy Clausen
2a. Taylor Mays
2b. Golden Tate
3a. Jon Asomoah
3b. Jimmy Graham
5a. Cam Thomas
5b. Selvish Capers

[Blick]

1. Eric Berry
2. Jimmy Clausen
2. Golden Tate
3. Everson Griffen
4. Darryl Sharpton
5. Cam Thomas
5. Matt Tennant
5. Chris Scott

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I think the Patriots did a very good job of addressing needs in this draft, even if I didn't necessarily agree with some of the players that they took.

I had them at one point for two straight years in the mock and added a punter both times. Mesko will really help you guys out in the field position game, which will be important.

Yes. Our punting situation has wavered between pathetic and mediocre for pretty much the entirety of BB's career with the Patriots. I'm glad he finally found a punter he liked, and I hope he's everything he seems like.

The one thing I'm most critical of is Belichick's tunnel vision wrt: Florida players. I know that he has a close relationship with Meyer, but we've seen firsthand the dangers of a pro coach taking the advice of a college coach and selecting his players b/c of that close relationship.

I've seen hits and misses with those. Chad Jackson was a complete whiff, but Jarvis Green as a 4th out of LSU was a big hit.

At first I thought it was pretty weird, but reading the write ups, they seem like they were in line with their draft position expectation. Heck, half you guys on this board wanted the Chiefs to take Spikes before the Pats got him in the 2nd.

And it's clear now that Hernandez, our 4th round pick, slid waaay down because of multiple failed marijuana tests. He passed at the combine, however, and if Meyer vouches for him....

The key really is Cunningham. He's the riskiest pick (due to the always-difficult conversion from DE to OLB), and yet the one we most need to be successful.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

3 safeties?

Eh, with those three safeties, I would run a 3-4/nickel hybrid. All three safeties excel in run support, two of them can actually cover, and with those three, DJ, and Hali, you would never know where the blitz was coming from. I want a defense that attacks, attacks, attacks dictating the game to the offense, and I think those three safeties in particular allow you to get really creative with your defense. It is now a pass happy league and I think defenses need to evolve and recognize that fact.

[B_Ambuehl]

Everyone knows the last 2 years Pioli has wanted to trade down. Evidently he's too self conscious about getting ripped, but his former BF buddies Belichik and McDouche show how it's easily done. They're not taking full trade value in a lot of their trades either. To illustrate what was easily possible I'm gonna go real conservative and demonstrate a true fire sale. I'm gonna trade from #5 all the way down to #24 the spot Denver traded down to - and instead of realistic trade value I'm only gonna give him the same picks Denver acquired moving down from where they did at 13, giving us the #24 pick, 2 third rounders, and a 4th

1- Dez White- WR
2- Nate Allen- FS
2- Jason Worilds- OLB
3- Asomaoah- G
3- D. Butler- ILB
3- Moeaki- TE
4- Bruce Campbell T
4- Owusu-Ansah CB
5- Cam Thomas DT
5- Anthony Dixon RB


What's really funny is the total cost of that draft in contract dollars would be about half as much as either this year or last years draft.

[craneref]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Everyone knows the last 2 years Pioli has wanted to trade down. Evidently he's too self conscious about getting ripped, but his former BF buddies Belichik and McDouche show how it's easily done. They're not taking full trade value in a lot of their trades either. To illustrate what was easily possible I'm gonna go real conservative and demonstrate a true fire sale. I'm gonna trade from #5 all the way down to #24 the spot Denver traded down to - and instead of realistic trade value I'm only gonna give him the same picks Denver acquired moving down from where they did at 13, giving us the #24 pick, 2 third rounders, and a 4th

1- Dez White- WR
2- Nate Allen- FS
2- Jason Worilds- OLB
3- Asomaoah- G
3- D. Butler- ILB
3- Moeaki- TE
4- Bruce Campbell T
4- Owusu-Ansah CB
5- Cam Thomas DT
5- Anthony Dixon RB


What's really funny is the total cost of that draft in contract dollars would be about half as much as either this year or last years draft.

Trading down from teh top 5 picks is difficult and only happens when there is a franchise QB or running back. The Patriots are always picking mid first round and back making it MUCH easier to trade down, than trading a top 5 pick. Trading back just to trade back does not make sense, it has to come with value. If the Chiefs were willing to trade the number 5 pick this year straight across for a number 2 they could have had plenty of trade offers. It doesn't work that way.

[BossChief]

Berry
Clausen
Tate
Asamough
Moeaki
Tennant
Rolle

without knowing clausen would fall (and Im ok with the trade for Moeaki, so I kept in for both)

Clausen
Tate
Cody
Asamough
Moeaki
Tennant
Rolle

Id also like to say that this is total revisionist theory because some of those players I chose are going into situations that are far better than ours is presently, so they will do better than they would here IMO. For example, I could see Cody busting here, but can thrive in Baltimore.

[Nightfyre]

I would think a guy whose job is to be fat would thrive in KC.

[Chiefs=Champions]

1. Berry
2.a Clausen
2.b Cody
3. Asamough
4. Campbell
5.a Tennant
5.b Mr Sheffield
5.c Anthony McCoy

With this draft both our lines should be set for the next 10 years and on top of that we pick up 2 top prospects in Berry and Clausen..

[patteeu]

I don't have anything against the Chiefs' 2nd round picks, but I have to admit that I didn't really know much about Dexter McCluster before the Chiefs took him. Now that it's over, I'm excited about the Chiefs' picks. Like many here on Chiefsplanet though, going into the 2nd round I was looking for a pass rusher and either a NT or an ILB so I'll go that route here.


1. Eric Berry
2A. Koa Misi
2B. Sean Lee
3A. Jon Asamoah
3B. Tony Moeaki
5A. Kendrick Lewis
5B. Jonathan Dwyer

[B_Ambuehl]

Trading down from teh top 5 picks is difficult and only happens when there is a franchise QB or running back. The Patriots are always picking mid first round and back making it MUCH easier to trade down, than trading a top 5 pick. Trading back just to trade back does not make sense, it has to come with value. If the Chiefs were willing to trade the number 5 pick this year straight across for a number 2 they could have had plenty of trade offers. It doesn't work that way.

So you think Philly would give up 2 third rounders to trade up to 12, but not the same 2 third rounders to trade up to 5? No way. Pioli has said they had offers on the table. There are always deals available what throws a wrench into things is the totally unrealistic value of top 5 picks on the draft trade value chart and teams obsession with it. My intention was to be real conservative and show the type of draft/value you coulda had overall even when taking a trade that was approximately half of the supposed value of that chart. Even a #2 coulda netted the same type of result becuase you coudl then move that #2 for a lower 2 and an extra 3 and the end result woulda been the same.

[CoMoChief]

In my perfect world.....

1. FS Eric Berry
2. QB Jimmy Clausen
2. WR Golden Tate
3. OG Jon Asomoah
3. WR Mardy Gilyard (trade QB Matt Cassel to Denver)
4. OT Bruce Campbell
5. OL Chris Scott
5. NT Cam Thomas
5. OLB George Selvie

UDFA
WR Denario Alexander
QB Jevan Snead
CB Donovan Warren
RB Lagarrett Blount

FA
MLB Karlos Dansby
OG Ryan Lilja
OC Casey Weigmann
NT John Henderson
RB Thomas Jones

Starting Day Roster
QB - Clausen
RB - Charles
WR - Bowe
WR - Chambers
WR - Tate
LT - Albert
LG - Waters
OC - Weigmann
RG - Lilja
RT - Campbell

LDE - Jackson
NT - Henderson
RDE - Dorsey
LOLB - Selvie
LILB - D.Johnson
RILB - Dansby
ROLB - Hali
CB - Flowers
CB - Carr
FS - Berry
SS - Page

KR/PR - Gilyard
K - Succop
P - Colquitt

[BossChief]

Just for shits and giggles, heres a hawkeye homer one (5b and 5c are with other schools because I ran out of draftable Hawkeyes):

1) Bulaga (trade back and add a future first)
2a) Angerer
2b) Spivey
3) Moeaki
4) Edds
5a) Calloway
5b) Tennant
5c) Rolle