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Old 08-30-2010, 02:45 PM  
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2 Sep 19 KC @ CLE Cleveland Browns Stadium 1:00 PM
3 Sep 26 SF @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
4 Bye
5 Oct 10 KC @ IND Lucas Oil Stadium 1:00 PM
6 Oct 17 KC @ HOU Reliant Stadium 1:00 PM
7 Oct 24 JAC @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
8 Oct 31 BUF @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
9 Nov 07 KC @ OAK Oakland Coliseum 4:15 PM
10 Nov 14 KC @ DEN Invesco Field at Mile High 4:05 PM
11 Nov 21 ARI @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
12 Nov 28 KC @ SEA Qwest Field 4:05 PM
13 Dec 05 DEN @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
14 Dec 12 KC @ SD Qualcomm Stadium 4:15 PM
15 Dec 19 KC @ STL Edward Jones Dome 1:00 PM
16 Dec 26 TEN @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
17 Jan 02 OAK @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
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Old 08-30-2010, 04:12 PM   #46
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Wk Date Game Stadium Time (ET)
1 Sep 13 SD @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 10:15 PM
2 Sep 19 KC @ CLE Cleveland Browns Stadium 1:00 PM
3 Sep 26 SF @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
4 Bye
5 Oct 10 KC @ IND Lucas Oil Stadium 1:00 PM
6 Oct 17 KC @ HOU Reliant Stadium 1:00 PM
7 Oct 24 JAC @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
8 Oct 31 BUF @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
9 Nov 07 KC @ OAK Oakland Coliseum 4:15 PM
10 Nov 14 KC @ DEN Invesco Field at Mile High 4:05 PM
11 Nov 21 ARI @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
12 Nov 28 KC @ SEA Qwest Field 4:05 PM
13 Dec 05 DEN @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
14 Dec 12 KC @ SD Qualcomm Stadium 4:15 PM
15 Dec 19 KC @ STL Edward Jones Dome 1:00 PM
16 Dec 26 TEN @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
17 Jan 02 OAK @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM

Probably 8-8 but the homer in me told me to bold the SD MNF game.
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Old 08-30-2010, 04:12 PM   #47
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Wk1: SD @ KC - LOSS
Wk2: KC @ CLE - win
Wk3: SF @ KC - LOSS
Wk4: BYE
Wk5: KC @ IND - LOSS
Wk6: KC @ HOU - LOSS
Wk7: JAC @ KC - WIN
Wk8: BUF @ KC - WIN
Wk9: KC @ OAK - LOSS
Wk10: KC @ DEN - LOSS
Wk11: ARI @ KC - WIN
Wk12: KC @ SEA - LOSS
Wk13: DEN @ KC - WIN
Wk14: KC @ SD - LOSS
Wk15: KC @ STL - WIN
Wk16: TEN @ KC - LOSS
Wk17: OAK @ KC - loss

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i haven't picked us to win more than 6 for awhile, and I won't until they actually do it....i need proof...
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Patrick Willis will each our offensive line alive.
Bad enough that he'll eat our O-line alive...but each it?
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Old 08-30-2010, 04:16 PM   #49
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What has changed for the Chiefs that you expect them to go into Cleveland and beat them?

They were gashed for 300 yards on the ground in Week 16. What do you think has changed for this defense?
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Bad enough that he'll eat our O-line alive...but each it?
That's right
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Old 08-30-2010, 04:16 PM   #51
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I was skeptical of Singletary's coaching abilities a few years back because he had to beg Brian Billick to become a member of his coaching staff. He followed Mike Nolan to San Francisco but I wasn't sure if that was because of their affiliation or because he was a legitimate NFL coach.

I think that question has now been answered and truly think he'll have San Fran consistently competing in the foreseeable future.
Maybe so. But he has to prove it. Going 8-8 in a division that's amazingly not only worse than the AFC West, but significantly worse... that aien't gonna cut it.
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Old 08-30-2010, 04:20 PM   #52
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Maybe so. But he has to prove it. Going 8-8 in a division that's amazingly not only worse than the AFC West, but significantly worse... that aien't gonna cut it.
He HAS been proving it since the day he took over.

He completely changed the culture there, with Vernon Davis as a prime example. Also, he didn't berate Michael Crabtree for missing the first six weeks of the season and all of training camp. Instead, he talked to him weekly and was very encouraging.

Singletary is going to be a serious winner in the NFL.
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Old 08-30-2010, 04:20 PM   #53
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What has changed for the Chiefs that you expect them to go into Cleveland and beat them?

They were gashed for 300 yards on the ground in Week 16. What do you think has changed for this defense?


No kidding.

I said as much in the other thread. The only rush offense I think we can stop is Indy's, and they don't need to run the ball. Houston won't need to run the ball against us, either - though I think they can.

Buffalo and Cleveland gouged us last year.

We face them again, along with Mathews, Gore, MJD, Wells, Bush, Moreno, Forsett, Jackson and CJ.

Ugly.
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Wk Date Game Stadium Time (ET)
1 Sep 13 SD @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 10:15 PM
2 Sep 19 KC @ CLE Cleveland Browns Stadium 1:00 PM
3 Sep 26 SF @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
4 Bye
5 Oct 10 KC @ IND Lucas Oil Stadium 1:00 PM
6 Oct 17 KC @ HOU Reliant Stadium 1:00 PM
7 Oct 24 JAC @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
8 Oct 31 BUF @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
9 Nov 07 KC @ OAK Oakland Coliseum 4:15 PM
10 Nov 14 KC @ DEN Invesco Field at Mile High 4:05 PM
11 Nov 21 ARI @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
12 Nov 28 KC @ SEA Qwest Field 4:05 PM
13 Dec 05 DEN @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
14 Dec 12 KC @ SD Qualcomm Stadium 4:15 PM
15 Dec 19 KC @ STL Edward Jones Dome 1:00 PM
16 Dec 26 TEN @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
17 Jan 02 OAK @ KC Arrowhead Stadium 1:00 PM
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What has changed for the Chiefs that you expect them to go into Cleveland and beat them?

They were gashed for 300 yards on the ground in Week 16. What do you think has changed for this defense?
So? Jarome Harrison is not going to get damn near 300 yards on us again.

And nothing has changed really since we beat the Steelers. So we can beat them again by your logic?
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Old 08-30-2010, 04:24 PM   #56
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What has changed for the Chiefs that you expect them to go into Cleveland and beat them?

They were gashed for 300 yards on the ground in Week 16. What do you think has changed for this defense?
Quite a bit, actually. Magee/Gilberry were getting absolutely manhandled that game. Bringing Dorsey back will help considerably. Berry at Strong Safety is going to help us significantly, particularly in limiting the big play. The playcalling will be a lot better (don't know how good Romeo is, but it's a clear upgrade over Pendergast) and we'll at least make adjustments that keep us from getting gashed from the same play repeatedly.

I still have this as a loss, though, because the Browns can pass the ball this year and I think they have a decent defense. They're going to be better than a lot of people think.
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So? Jarome Harrison is not going to get damn near 300 yards on us again.
Why not? How has the Chiefs front seven improved to the point where they won't be giving up a massive amount of rushing yardage?

Has Cleveland not improved their squad, either?

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And nothing has changed really since we beat the Steelers. So we can beat them again by your logic?
The Chiefs don't have a shot in hell to beat the Steelers with a healthy Polamalu (who didn't play that day) or a healthy Roethlisberger.
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So? Jarome Harrison is not going to get damn near 300 yards on us again.

And nothing has changed really since we beat the Steelers. So we can beat them again by your logic?
One, we're not playing the Steelers.

But to answer the question more broadly, if any team is asleep at the wheel come that given Sunday, then sure, we can win.

As much as I enjoyed that win, realistically, it was a perfect storm.

We played about as well as we were capable of playing, and Pittsburgh played about as bad as they were capable of playing.

That's going to have to happen several times for this team to win more than 6 games, IMO.
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Quite a bit, actually. Magee/Gilberry were getting absolutely manhandled that game. Bringing Dorsey back will help considerably. Berry at Strong Safety is going to help us significantly, particularly in limiting the big play. The playcalling will be a lot better (don't know how good Romeo is, but it's a clear upgrade over Pendergast) and we'll at least make adjustments that keep us from getting gashed from the same play repeatedly.

I still have this as a loss, though, because the Browns can pass the ball this year and I think they have a decent defense. They're going to be better than a lot of people think.
Well, this a part of the problem for the Chiefs, probably their second biggest problem behind QB: They have no depth. They don't have a legit NT and their DE's are average on a good day and well below average on a normal day.

Hali is a liability against run, as is DJ. This team will routinely give up HUGE rushing yardage this season because they just cannot stop anyone on the ground.
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What has changed for the Chiefs that you expect them to go into Cleveland and beat them?

They were gashed for 300 yards on the ground in Week 16. What do you think has changed for this defense?
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