Chiefs Why are the Chargers that much better? - Page 3

synthesis2 · 09-08-2010, 04:58 PM

I know I'm going to get a lot of flack for saying this and I even put money on the under for the chargers and the over on the chiefs because of this but I just don't see where they are that great of a team, especially with the changes.

Comparisons:

QB Chargers - B/B+ (not elite) Chiefs C (average at best)
RB Chargers - B- Chiefs A (may have best in league with combo)
WR Chargers - C+/B- (with holdout) Chiefs C+/B-
Oline Chargers - B Chiefs - B
TE Chargers - A Chiefs - D/C ( still not sure on 3rd round pick)
DL Chargers - B Chiefs - C/C+
LB Chargers - B Chiefs - B
Sec Chargers - C Chiefs - B+
Spec Chargers - B Chiefs - A
coaching Chargers -C Chiefs - B (with new off and def cord)

I guess we will see Monday but I just don't see it with the Chargers this year, besides QB, they are very pedestrian and we are better in several areas.

rad · 09-08-2010, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

I would rather have Mathews and Sproles than Jones and Charles.

OK I'll play........why?

ToxSocks · 09-08-2010, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't buy that KC has better wide receivers. Chambers was dumped by San Diego and Dwayne Bowe, IMO, is starting from scratch. His 2009 was shit and it's yet to be seen whether or not his new found "seriousness" actually translates.

And Malcolm Floyd and Nanee have done what? Both Chambers and Bowe have proven more than either Floyd or Nanee-However the **** you spell his name.

They're just big. That's it.

Quesadilla Joe · 09-08-2010, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rad

OK I'll play........why?

Jamaal Charles = speed demon who isn't very good at running in-between the tackles and is a liability in pass pro and has fumbling issues.

Sproles = speed demon who isn't very good at running in-between the tackles but isn't a liability in pass pro and is much better at catching passes and in the return game.

Thomas Jones = Workhorse back who can be trusted to hold onto the ball, run between the tackles, catch passes, and help in pass pro.

Mathews = Most complete back out of all 4 of them. Can run inside or outside, can catch passes, can help in pass pro, and is younger than all of them.

Mecca · 09-08-2010, 05:34 PM

Floyd is basically on par with the Chiefs WR's they don't have a 2 though, so Gates basically takes that role. If you factor TE into overall receivers San Diego is slightly better.

For RB this is what I'd say, Jones age plays a part, yet Sproles is just a role player due to size. Matthews has a chance to be the most legit of any of the RB's in the game with his combo of size, speed, etc etc. He can be the most complete back and one of the best in the league.

Charles is the big play guy like Sproles but is more than a role guy...

So I think they're close, San Diego's has potential to be one of the best in the league by the end of the year because they can have a workhorse complimented by speed.

I don't think Thomas Jones blows but I question what he'll do behind this line...I'll give the Chiefs a slight edge going into the game because Charles is proven and Matthews is not. At the end of the year that may look much different.

And for anyone who thinks Rivers is a B you need mental help. Top 5 QB's in the league are A's.

ToxSocks · 09-08-2010, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Jamaal Charles = speed demon who isn't very good at running in-between the tackles and is a liability in pass pro and has fumbling issues.

Sproles = speed demon who isn't very good at running in-between the tackles but isn't a liability in pass pro and is much better at catching passes and in the return game.

Thomas Jones = Workhorse back who can be trusted to hold onto the ball, run between the tackles, catch passes, and help in pass pro.

Mathews = Most complete back out of all 4 of them. Can run inside or outside, can catch passes, can help in pass pro, and is younger than all of them.

GTFO.

Charles had no issues running between the tackles all over Denver, did he? And Sproles isn't a pass blocking liability?

Are you seriously trying to say that Sproles is a better back than Charles?

rad · 09-08-2010, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Jamaal Charles = speed demon who isn't very good at running in-between the tackles and is a liability in pass pro and has fumbling issues.

Sproles = speed demon who isn't very good at running in-between the tackles but isn't a liability in pass pro and is much better at catching passes and in the return game.

Thomas Jones = Workhorse back who can be trusted to hold onto the ball, run between the tackles, catch passes, and help in pass pro.

Mathews = Most complete back out of all 4 of them. Can run inside or outside, can catch passes, can help in pass pro, and is younger than all of them.

What the **** kind of drugs to you abuse?

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-08-2010, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

And Malcolm Floyd and Nanee have done what? Both Chambers and Bowe have proven more than either Floyd or Nanee-However the **** you spell his name.

They're just big. That's it.

And at age 32, the wheels could fall off at any time, especially since he's now dumped his wife for his stalker (which is why San Diego dumped him last year - he couldn't stay focused).

ToxSocks · 09-08-2010, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And at age 32, the wheels could fall off at any time, especially since he's now dumped his wife for his stalker (which is why San Diego dumped him last year - he couldn't stay focused).

True dat. But until the wheels fall off the edge has to go to him over Legadu. And until Floyd shows he can be more than a compliment to Jackson and Gates, I'd have to give the edge to Bowe.

Mecca · 09-08-2010, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

True dat. But until the wheels fall off the edge has to go to him over Legadu. And until Floyd shows he can be more than a compliment to Jackson and Gates, I'd have to give the edge to Bowe.

But their QB can actually get them the ball.

Quesadilla Joe · 09-08-2010, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

GTFO.

Charles had no issues running between the tackles all over Denver, did he? And Sproles isn't a pass blocking liability?

Are you seriously trying to say that Sproles is a better back than Charles?

Jamaal gets his yards off of sweeps and off tackle runs. If he was good between the tackles Thomas Jones would not have been brought in.

Charles isn't a willing blocker, Sproles is. I have seen him sacrifice his body numerous times by cutting a blitzer or DE.

ToxSocks · 09-08-2010, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

But their QB can actually get them the ball.

What does that have to do with comparing players?

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-08-2010, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

True dat. But until the wheels fall off the edge has to go to him over Legadu. And until Floyd shows he can be more than a compliment to Jackson and Gates, I'd have to give the edge to Bowe.

Don't get me wrong, I like Bowe. But he's basically starting over this year. Last year was a disaster. If he can stay clean and get back on his 2007-2008 pace, I'll be thrilled.

But I'll believe it when I see it.

Furthermore, it's difficult to not categorize Gates as a receiver, especially given that he grabs at least 8 TD's each year and 80 plus catches.

Matthews and Gates might be all Rivers needs to terrorize the Chiefs defense.

Mecca · 09-08-2010, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

What does that have to do with comparing players?

Your WR is kind of useless if he never gets the ball.

I think the teams overall receiving games are comparable talent wise it's just that when the years over theirs will have much better production.

ToxSocks · 09-08-2010, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Jamaal gets his yards off of sweeps and off tackle runs. If he was good between the tackles Thomas Jones would not have been brought in.

Charles isn't a willing blocker, Sproles is. I have seen him sacrifice his body numerous times by cutting a blitzer or DE.

You need to pay closer attention. I see Sproles every Sunday. Trust me, he is not a blocker. Diving at a DE's feet isn't exactly "willing" to take on a block.

Charles isn't willing? You need to pay attention, son. He may not be very good at it, but he's plenty willing.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-08-2010, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rad

What the **** kind of drugs to you abuse?

If I had my choice today of:

1. Charles and Jones
2. Matthews and Sproles

I'd chose number two, hands down.

09-08-2010, 04:58 PM
synthesis2 synthesis2 Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $9255401	Why are the Chargers that much better? I know I'm going to get a lot of flack for saying this and I even put money on the under for the chargers and the over on the chiefs because of this but I just don't see where they are that great of a team, especially with the changes. Comparisons: QB Chargers - B/B+ (not elite) Chiefs C (average at best) RB Chargers - B- Chiefs A (may have best in league with combo) WR Chargers - C+/B- (with holdout) Chiefs C+/B- Oline Chargers - B Chiefs - B TE Chargers - A Chiefs - D/C ( still not sure on 3rd round pick) DL Chargers - B Chiefs - C/C+ LB Chargers - B Chiefs - B Sec Chargers - C Chiefs - B+ Spec Chargers - B Chiefs - A coaching Chargers -C Chiefs - B (with new off and def cord) I guess we will see Monday but I just don't see it with the Chargers this year, besides QB, they are very pedestrian and we are better in several areas.
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09-08-2010, 05:34 PM	#34
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-672950	Floyd is basically on par with the Chiefs WR's they don't have a 2 though, so Gates basically takes that role. If you factor TE into overall receivers San Diego is slightly better. For RB this is what I'd say, Jones age plays a part, yet Sproles is just a role player due to size. Matthews has a chance to be the most legit of any of the RB's in the game with his combo of size, speed, etc etc. He can be the most complete back and one of the best in the league. Charles is the big play guy like Sproles but is more than a role guy... So I think they're close, San Diego's has potential to be one of the best in the league by the end of the year because they can have a workhorse complimented by speed. I don't think Thomas Jones blows but I question what he'll do behind this line...I'll give the Chiefs a slight edge going into the game because Charles is proven and Matthews is not. At the end of the year that may look much different. And for anyone who thinks Rivers is a B you need mental help. Top 5 QB's in the league are A's.
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